What are LLs biggest fears with another Labour term?

[donna]

Time is running out for National. Only the absolute resolute National supporter would say otherwise. There would need to be a massive fail by Jacinda or Grant for Labour not to be a shoo-in aye.

So what do we fear the most with another Labour term?

My list includes:

• CGT - widespread and probably no grandfather clause
• Continuation of the Rent Increase Freeze
• The madness that is some of the Healthy Homes reqs - e.g. the moisture barrier LLs will be ripped off with the installs. Is there any actual, real evidence that a moisture barrier works for example - if a home is on driven piles and on sand? Plus the material is so ridiculously bad for the environment and with tens of thousands of homes expected to use it - it's environmentally criminal. - and maybe the Gov't should be taken to the Environment Court

What's your list?

cheers,

Donna

[absoluteproperty]

Time is running out for National. Only the absolute resolute National supporter would say otherwise. There would need to be a massive fail by Jacinda or Grant for Labour not to be a shoo-in aye.

So what do we fear the most with another Labour term?

My list includes:

• CGT - widespread and probably no grandfather clause
• Continuation of the Rent Increase Freeze
• The madness that is some of the Healthy Homes reqs - e.g. the moisture barrier LLs will be ripped off with the installs. Is there any actual, real evidence that a moisture barrier works for example - if a home is on driven piles and on sand? Plus the material is so ridiculously bad for the environment and with tens of thousands of homes expected to use it - it's environmentally criminal. - and maybe the Gov't should be taken to the Environment Court

What's your list?

cheers,

Donna

As not only a property investor but an investor in the equity markets and someone that runs two companies, I have concerns at the effects that an openly anti-business government which has played only lip service to financial or policy assistance to small and medium business during COVID will give those with the ability to expand and grow little faith that New Zealand is the place to do this.

I know that my equity business continues to grow outside of New Zealand, whereas I have intentionally frozen growth on the New Zealand side of the business because the cards are stacked against business growth in comparison to Australia which is much more pro-business and provide strong incentives to growth with much less red tape and interference.

Where will the future money go - building houses on the cheap to be sold on the discount to the few that wish to buy whilst risking there will not be enough buyers because there are not enough jobs, or investing in economies interested in promoting business growth, which in turn facilitates lower unemployment in higher skilled jobs?

I have already voted in the October elections - all of my liquid capital is offshore.

[jimO]

high on my list is not having bobble head ducking and weaving on the news

[Perry]

Dream On

Not a list of concerns, but a wish-list.

A change that sweeps all the current dross to the dole queue.

Ye olde business axiom comes to mind (slightly adapted)

The definition of stupidity is re-electing the same people and expecting the result to be better.

A wholesale clearance of stale, past use-by-date klutzes who could not come up with an innovative idea if their lives depended on it.

The problem is that anyone who would be fit-for-purpose to run a country runs a mile at the idea.

[McDuck]

Since both Nat and Lab are center right and center left , not much.

Both are mild in extremism, so pretty much two flavors of the same thing.

I do like the economic animal known as the " landlord".
And also the "investor'.

(Although what we really have here, is the land banker and the gambler)

I like them for the same reason I like a variety of real animals to exist in the world.
Variety is the spice of life.

I worry, (and this may be unfounded, as I can't see into every corner of every meeting), about approach.
That Lab don't fully see the importance of upward mobility in a culture.
And the need for ways for hungry individuals to express those desires for greatness and riches in various paths of activity.
Permanent class stratification is something I can't get used to, for any reason.
I may not choose to take on Elon Musk, but I like the idea that there is a path for me to do so.

Self centered individuals need to see ways for their efforts and work to elevate them above their peers.
Making the world a better place for all, is simply not a motivator for them.
And in their striving for a selfish vision, some useful things are produced for all, telephones, automobiles, crop rotation.

So, yes, not fully appreciating the social benefit of greedy selfish motives and having ways to encourage yet control that human behavior is a tiny bit of a worry.

(I would like to see a wide variety of economic operators creating our culture, just as I prefer a wide variety of animals populating the planet).

I am comforted by thinking about the pure free market response Lab had to the surprising assault on our species by micro life.
The dexterity and effectiveness of Lab's response to those nasty little bugs was pure capitalism in essence.

[artemis]

Rent controls are a serious possibility if we have a Labour / Green government. Marama Davidson has said publicly that is her top priority and therefore may well be part of a coalition agreement.*

Meanwhile, similar to absoluteproperty above, I have made arrangements to protect some of my investments.

* Don't believe me? Check this link.

https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO1803/S00159/the-nation-owen-interviews-green-party-co-leader-contenders.htm

[ripeka]

Rent controls are a serious possibility if we have a Labour / Green government. Marama Davidson has said publicly that is her top priority and therefore may well be part of a coalition agreement.*

In that case, and given that National is not going to get in, a strategic vote would be one for Labour in order to ensure that Labour can govern alone.

[klauster]

Fear or not the answer relates to politicians who fighting for their job but not for LL or the country.

Rapid changes under the blanket of Covid-19 like monetary reforms, massive activities of payments giants (Visa, Mastercard, PayPal, etc) with bitcoin and cryptocurrencies, withdrawing cash limitations, discussions about re-introducing currencies based on gold standards, wars for economic leadership… does is really matter how LL feel under Labour or National?

The same question comes up when discussing property prices and housing costs. Socialists have already taken over to regulate the market economy. Is somewhere hidden in the past an example that socialists delivered on promise?

Back to the question about LLs biggest fears… the damage to the housing market, especially to LLs has been done, what fear should I have by holding on so far?

Imagine who will be affected by a wealth distribution driven by socialists?

[McDuck]

The same question comes up when discussing property prices and housing costs. Socialists have already taken over to regulate the market economy.

Now, that's not true.

But you confuse me.

As a species we live in social groups.
We have found that we are strong in groups.
Notice the word?

S O C I A L.

Now very slowly add the word IST to the end.

SOCIAL+ IST = SOCIALIST.

Yes, that's how words are made.



And as individual creatures we have our individual interests.
So isn't this the only configuration for the successful human activity?

The interests of the individual balanced against the interest of the society?
Least tragedy of the commons occur?

Go on, show me you can actually think for yourself, play with the ideas yourself, instead of spitting out some thoughtless mantra.

[PC]

Socialism - 100% failure rate.
The more of it - the worse things get.

[Perry]

Dumb & Dumber

Socialism - 100% failure rate.
The more of it - the worse things get.

What's your explanation then, of why the assorted crop of 'one-or-two-wires-not-connected' nutters keep strenuously pushing the idea, despite the obvious - as you say?

Are they all really that thick?

[PC]

Everyone loves voting themselves "free stuff".
Only problem is - there is no free stuff.

[McDuck]

Everyone loves voting themselves "free stuff".
Only problem is - there is no free stuff.

What about air? that's free.
Sunshine?
Water?
All the really important stuff is free.

And how do flocks of birds, schools of fish, and groups of chimps survive without money?

All on free stuff.

Could it be that you are mistaken?

[McDuck]

What's your explanation then, of why the assorted crop of 'one-or-two-wires-not-connected' nutters keep strenuously pushing the idea, despite the obvious - as you say?

Are they all really that thick?

Considering the electrical grid is a centrally controlled system, running on free stuff ( the water pulled up into the air from the sea, by the heating effect of FREE sunlight".

your cartoon is misguided.

And four prongs into three holes won't go. Bad math*

Don't even ask me how Rio Tinto shows your position to be poorly thought through.

But a chance for you.
Taking all the petulant nonsense out of the thinking process, tell me something.

What is the core idea behind socialist thinking, and how does it fail.?


* or arithmetic,
calculation,
calculus,
ciphering,
computation,
figures,
figuring,
mathematics,

ps: just thinking how the main Auckland grid failed several years back, and it failed under the free market model, because of an application of the free market model. there is a critical weakness in the free market model.
Housing failed for the same reason and same application of the free market model.

I know this is too much info, but I can't help but noting that we have electricity thanks to the Dilettante model, under and despite of an Imperial stratified class system.
( and of course, the main driver is curiosity, it's free, and natural attribute of the human mind).

[donna]

When does Labour need to declare their policies for the next term? It's now less than 100 days out from the Election.