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  • The state of our cities is worrying

    Hi All,

    Have you noticed the decline of Auckland and Wellington city centres?

    Tourists are coming back in a couple of months and neither city is in a good condition. Why are the councils and Government not doing anything to improve them?

    Sources:

    Neighbourly

    On the weekends, “everything” is mostly young people behaving badly, especially late at night. But even during the daytime, it’s obvious that something has changed in the CBD.

    Recently, one of Martin’s staff – “he’d been working his butt off all day”, says Martin – popped out to stock up on some groceries between the lunch and dinner service. He called in later from the hospital.

    He’d been mugged, in the middle of the day, for his shoes.

    Edgy is how some people describe the atmosphere in the CBD these days. At certain times, even frightening.
    Stuff

    This week I walked Wellington’s Golden Mile from the Embassy Theatre to Bowen St, and counted at least 11 restaurants, bars and cafes closed or on restricted hours, including the McDonald’s in Lambton Quay.
    Stuff

    Probably the most embarrassing news item found is this one in The Guardian.

    Crime swells in NZ cities....

    In downtown Auckland, violent crime rates are up 30% from pre-pandemic levels, while shootings in Wellington have left residents shaken
    Okay, we could argue other cities around the world are empty too but our concern should be our own - especially as we want and more importantly 'need' the tourists back.

    But, we're not ready for them. An example is my niece came over from Melbourne recently and she naturally went out on the town in Wellington on a Saturday evening. Wellington is her home town and she wanted to go to some familiar haunts. However, her experience was frankly quite scary. A lack of people frequenting the restaurants and bars - and most of the people on the streets were homeless and delinquents.

    The cities are where the tourists will go out. A lot needs to be done now to ensure their safety and that they have a favourable experience so their reviews are positive and don't put off other tourists from coming here.

    What can be done to make the cities safe after dark?

    If you look across the ditch at what they're doing to offer their people and tourists a good time - we too need to jump onboard and host events to pull people back to the cities.

    Turning Sydney into a 24-hour economy

    A recurring theme is a ‘New Diversity’.

    It deep dives further than the narrative that entertainment needs to be more across-the-board and less alcohol-centred to draw a wider demographic into the city after sunset.
    future-proofing Sydney


    Melbourne is buzzing after dark as foot traffic and consumer spending reach a two-year high, providing a boost for city businesses.
    Source

    Do we have a task force working on our cities after dark economies?

    I didn't find any news on the plan to bring people back to the city after dark. There's talk of making the cities safer with police presence - great! So our tourists see police cars and maybe some walking the streets.

    This article from Newshub is good as it shows how we struggle to put a plan in place that is focused on supporting local business, local economies and getting stuff done!

    Keen on your thoughts.

    Donna
    SYN: "When can we really say the Auckland CBD will be tourist-ready - 2027, 2029? Who knows?"
    Last edited by donna; 20-06-2022, 04:45 PM.
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    A lot of it is to do with the economy, when there's plenty of easy money being splashed around people feel rich and there's a lot more foot traffic in the big cities.

    When there's less liquidity, the masses hunker down at home to fight inflation, this simply highlights the undesirables in society that have always been there.

    Unless there's a policy change, this is most likely going to continue.


    ​​​​​When the international students return to Auckland CBD, they usually bring it back to life, unfortunately we have a large inward looking population that vote with an anti immigration stance.

    When I moved back to Auckland 20 years ago, downtown CBD was dead, I think the Helen Clark and John Key government revitalised it with the international students .The current government and there xenophobic voter's killed that off.

    I don't understand why Kiwis are not accepting of other cultures or perhaps I am more travelled than most.

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    • #3
      ^^ You and me both I guess - Gen X have been big travelers and keen to experience the buzz of activity and ambiance of multi-cultural environs. However, it's the millennials in charge!

      The younger generations have travelled far less and they are skeptical or perhaps fearful of 'foreigners'. We need cosmopolitan cities to match our outstanding 'great outdoors' to attract investment etc. So it's a chicken and egg scenario - what comes first? It has to be the investment that NZ makes - to provide tourists and frankly our own people with favourable night-life experiences. Get people out - as Helen Clark said "we are a team of 4 million".

      cheers,
      Donna

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      • #4
        Several issues here.
        Each city has a different problem.

        Crime is a big one in Auckland.
        Once the drinkers get going, Auckland isn't safe for a family night out.
        Need a cop on every corner and a drunk cell every lower city block to get that under control.

        Also young kids come in from South and West come in in groups to fight and cause trouble. Again, strict policing.
        Strict hard work gangs to keep them busy as weekend punishment.
        Scrub cutting should use up all that energy productively.

        As for diversity.. Not a problem in Auckland.

        Most countries represented, just stand on any street corner, pre covid and you will see it's true.

        Still all here, just at home working.

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        • #5
          The best thing we can do is get rid of the evil Comrade Clueless and her despicable crew.
          Never has NZ suffered from such an awful Government.
          The three most harmful addictions are heroin, carbohydrates and a monthly salary - Fred Wilson.

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          • #6
            There are a few events happening in Auckland - see here and a lot of them are free. Hopefully, more are in the planning - especially from September onwards.

            For Wellington - family-friendly events there are just 9 events between now and the end of the year (and only 5 if you exclude Matariki weekend) - 2 are free. Definitely, there is a lot of work to be done in the capital city otherwise newzealand.com will have to update its sales pitch......

            Wellington is a compact city with a powerful mix of culture, history, nature, and cuisine. Fuel your visit with strong coffee and world-class craft beer – Wellingtonians are masters of casual dining, with plenty of great restaurants, night markets, and food trucks..
            cheers,

            Donna

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            • #7
              Originally posted by donna View Post
              There are a few events happening in Auckland..
              Still on the after dark safety aspect,

              To me, its all about policing.

              You basically need an aggressive , pro active , no nonsense approach to clearing the streets of drunks and ego driven kids.

              They have no money and spoil it for real patrons.

              And even after you do the cleanup, it will take years for the bad vibes to wash out.

              On the very first visit to town they need to see who's in charge.

              As a kid going into town I remember the police being on us each time we got a little rowdy.

              They used to have cars packed with 6 officers waiting outside the nightclubs and pubs.

              But they were smart as well.

              Just the threat of putting you in the cells would be enough to bring the social expectations of maturity to mind.

              Young people will drink too much.

              They will do stupid things.

              A night in a cell with no criminal record will usually wash it out of their system next time.

              And it usually only lasts a year or so.

              After that you're usually doing boy girl stuff, like dining out etc.

              And working.

              Often it's all a carryover from the nonsense of school.

              ( which really puts some of the blame back on how schools and families manage children's behavior).

              The hard part would be for the police to not alienate basically useful members of the public who have gone on a bit of a
              rowdy night out.

              - buy using excessive force , just because they have become conditioned to dealing with more dangerous criminal types.

              (To a teen, all parents, teachers, employers, government officials and police are simply "Authority".
              Disproportionate force or punishment will create a disengagement with society in many.

              A constant message of justice and fairness must be maintained, and often explained.


              So it's a tough job for the Police.
              Last edited by McDuck; 22-06-2022, 07:03 AM.

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              • #8
                Maybe the police are now remote working.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by donna View Post
                  Maybe the police are now remote working.
                  Gulp. I'd rather not have to deal with packs of 12 small helicopter police drones armed with cameras and stun guns thanks.

                  I guess it will come some day.

                  They're already in development.

                  Funny to think of police recruiting gamers.


                  Last edited by McDuck; 23-06-2022, 07:41 AM.

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                  • #10
                    If you haven't noticed yet this Govt is in the process of checking out..They are toast and they know it.

                    A couple of them have left already, they call it resigning for greener pastures but the interpretation is they are jumping ship, getting out now while the goings good. If you can remember John Key pulled a similar stunt, gave his old mate Bill English a hospital pass and disappeared within 2 weeks ha ha, they are cunning I tell ya all cut from the same cloth.

                    Ardern IS NOT on a public relations trade mission overseas representing NZ, she is on a global JOB INTERVIEW representing herself!

                    She is in the process of lining up her next position overseas. You cant live in NZ after you have completely destroyed the economy.. you wont see her back in NZ for years, if you believed all the spin about the team of 5 mil and be kind to each other ...then come on, admit it you got suckered big time, a lot are waking up to this just now.

                    So its every man/woman and child for themselves with this so called Govt, watch as a few more jump ship until the end comes when they get wiped out in the election, it will be a landslide and one hell of a mess for the next lot to clean up.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by chook View Post
                      If you haven't noticed yet this Govt is in the process of checking out..They are toast and they know it.

                      A couple of them have left already, they call it resigning for greener pastures but the interpretation is they are jumping ship, getting out now while the goings good. If you can remember John Key pulled a similar stunt, gave his old mate Bill English a hospital pass and disappeared within 2 weeks ha ha, they are cunning I tell ya all cut from the same cloth.

                      Ardern IS NOT on a public relations trade mission overseas representing NZ, she is on a global JOB INTERVIEW representing herself!

                      She is in the process of lining up her next position overseas. You cant live in NZ after you have completely destroyed the economy.. you wont see her back in NZ for years, if you believed all the spin about the team of 5 mil and be kind to each other ...then come on, admit it you got suckered big time, a lot are waking up to this just now.

                      So its every man/woman and child for themselves with this so called Govt, watch as a few more jump ship until the end comes when they get wiped out in the election, it will be a landslide and one hell of a mess for the next lot to clean up.
                      totally agree
                      "DEBT BECOMES IRRELEVANT WITH INFLATION".

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                      • #12
                        I don't understand Chook, this clip clearly shows her fans chasing after her trying to get an autograph and selfie with her.
                         

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Jeffa View Post
                          I don't understand Chook, this clip clearly shows her fans chasing after her trying to get an autograph and selfie with her.
                          He he love it, when ever has a NZ prime minister had to travel in public in a van with blacked out windows surrounded by police and secret service?? seriously what a s#*t show.

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