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  • He said pig, not prig!

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    • Originally posted by Nick G View Post
      I guess sex crimes still don't count to some of those guys huh.
      Nor do stand over tactics.

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      • I think the abortion issue alone will be enough to get Trump over the line the way social media is blowing up over it, as it should.. It is really hotting up now. Don't be all wow so surprised if he pulls the election off.
        I hope for America's sake he does.

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        • Improving social mobility will mean allowing rich children to move down

          as well as helping poor ones to move up.

          Does the government have the stomach for it?

          the slowing down of the economy from its post-war clip means that the increase in well qualified youngsters has no corresponding increase in good jobs.

          In the past, there was plenty of room at the top.

          Now, it is painfully clear that social mobility must mean people going down as well as up.

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          Studies at universities such as Oxford and Essex show that "poor" people spend as much as average earners.
          Its just that the bulk of their benefits aren't "counted" as income because the poverty calculation is very politically biased.
          Council tax benefit, tax credits, free prescriptions, free school meals, housing benefit
          - even free food from the food bank.
          If you don't count their income then they will appear to be poor. But they aren't. They really do get all that.

          Social mobility happened, but the biased calculation means it was not noticed.
          Of course, workers have noticed that those who don't work are just as well off as they are, without working or paying tax.
          And they are very upset about it.
          Politicians need to change the record.
          Time to support workers not non-workers.

          Improving social mobility will mean allowing rich children to move down as well as helping poor ones to move up. Does the government have the stomach for it?
          Last edited by eri; 26-10-2016, 07:26 PM.
          have you defeated them?
          your demons

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          • Saying a society has to be either Capitalist or Socialist is like saying a book has to be a Romance or a Horror.
            A book can be a Biography, or Dictionary or Comedy.
            A book can even be some new form, or any combination of old forms.
            But above all, a book must work, and be enjoyable.
            Just like a Society.

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            • So Shonkey resigns - didn't see that one coming

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              • I doubt anyone did.

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                • Prime Minister Little anyone?
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                  • Perhaps he's seen the writing on the wall? Giving control of NZ's fresh water resources to the iwi elite is not likely something the traditional gNat voters could stomach. Didn't Shonkey say he never wanted to be a PM that lost an election?

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                    • have a lot of respect for willie jackson

                      don't always agree with him

                      but am interested to know what he thinks

                      a bit like winston

                      however labour activists

                      can't stand the idea of him running for labour

                      he's a man!

                      and he isn't a slavish supporter of labour group think

                      Andrew Little's choice of Willie Jackson as a Labour candidate has raised further concerns about his past comments and support for charter schools.
                      have you defeated them?
                      your demons

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                      • worth reading

                        + nowhere better to put it

                        "episodic but severe food shortages are, in fact, a characteristic and arguably predictable consequence of the 20th century Marxist-Leninist state's approach to economic management and development"

                        Eberstadt shows that Korean unification is drawing closer, but not on the Democratic People's Republic of Korea's terms. As the economic base beneath the North Korean state falters and the prospect of failure draws closer the incentives toward corruption increase. The author looks at steps that can be taken to raise the chance of a benign outcome.


                        vs

                        Nobel winning economist, Amartya Sen has said:
                        "No famine has ever taken place in the history of the world in a functioning democracy," he wrote in "Democracy as Freedom" (Anchor, 1999)
                        have you defeated them?
                        your demons

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                        • to be applauded

                          Labour and Greens have said that will keep government spending to under 30% of GDP.

                          In 2008/09 Labour left office with core crown expenditure at 35.5% of GDP.

                          It took a massive effort by National to get it down to under 30% by 2015.

                          Labour and Greens opposed pretty much every one of those spending cuts or restraints

                          yet now they are saying they will stick to a similar expenditure level.

                          Again, this is a huge shift, and a massive victory for the forces of fiscal conservatism

                          http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/ar...ectid=11826337
                          have you defeated them?
                          your demons

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                          • "there are a lot of ambitious people in politics

                            and it doesn't on the whole help much

                            because they all think they are God's gift to creation

                            most of them aren't

                            and many are incompetent as well"


                            the straight talking, anti-politician Geoffrey Palmer, 13 months nz's pm

                            first of 5, in the RNZ series of hour interviews with former pm

                            Last edited by eri; 07-04-2017, 06:15 PM.
                            have you defeated them?
                            your demons

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                            • Palmer was the one who fabricated the 'Treaty principles,' so he's just as much an idiot as the rest of them. Possibly worse, given his new book on turning NZ in to a Republic.

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                              • Originally posted by eri View Post
                                to be applauded

                                Labour and Greens have said that will keep government spending to under 30% of GDP.

                                In 2008/09 Labour left office with core crown expenditure at 35.5% of GDP.

                                It took a massive effort by National to get it down to under 30% by 2015.

                                Labour and Greens opposed pretty much every one of those spending cuts or restraints

                                yet now they are saying they will stick to a similar expenditure level.

                                Again, this is a huge shift, and a massive victory for the forces of fiscal conservatism

                                http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/ar...ectid=11826337
                                Has GDP not gone up in that time? forgive me I have not read it word for word. but as usual it is probs an apples v oranges comparison!

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