Housing Crisis What Housing Crisis?

[Wayne]

Turn off the tap and take a breather.

Review the matter, some time later.

Only resident or born-here NZ citizens can own NZ land and buildings would be next.

Then maybe tougher criteria to obtain citizenship.

The bleeding heart, do-gooder. socialists who are ruining NZ will label that message as xenophobic and any other nasty phrases they can shriek, to distract people from the message.

Charity begins at home.

I foresee some unintended consequences there.
Didn't say I disagree but there would be impacts.

I wouldn't turn off the tap but turn it down and only accept people who will, in net, be good for the country.
For a start I wouldn't be importing people to wait on tables!

[Perry]

Turn off the tap and take a breather.

Review the matter, some time later.

Only resident or born-here NZ citizens can own NZ land and buildings would be next.

Then maybe tougher criteria to obtain citizenship.

The bleeding heart, do-gooder socialists who are ruining NZ will label that message as xenophobic and any other nasty phrases they can shriek, to distract people from the message.

Charity begins at home.

I foresee some unintended consequences there.
Didn't say I disagree but there would be impacts.

I wouldn't turn off the tap but turn it down and only accept people who will, in net, be good for the country.
For a start I wouldn't be importing people to wait on tables!

I have little doubt that there would be unintended consequences. However, I'm optimistic that they would be nothing like as bad as the consequences of past stupidity which we're dealing with, now.

A problem with slowing immigration down, rather than stopping it, is the criteria and the nightmares such involves. A reviewable moratorium for a year or two is the KISS way.

[Davo36]

I wouldn't turn off the tap but turn it down and only accept people who will, in net, be good for the country.
For a start I wouldn't be importing people to wait on tables!

This is exactly who we are importing right now. The low wage earners. Great for business owners, keeps everyone's wages/salaries down.

Shit for everyone else. Me, I'd like to see NZers incomes rise.

[Bob Kane]

Do you have a solution to the problem of not enough houses to go around?

Councils have restricted the building of new houses for years.
Just a matter of getting councils to approve almost all new builds and the shortage will disappear.
There's some debate about whether residents/rate payers will allow councils to relax their building restrictions.
So the housing shortage comes down to you and I.

[Wayne]

This is exactly who we are importing right now. The low wage earners. Great for business owners, keeps everyone's wages/salaries down.

Shit for everyone else. Me, I'd like to see NZers incomes rise.

I know - needs to change and fast.
National was just looking for growth in any form - they should have been looking at the quality.

[Wayne]

Councils have restricted the building of new houses for years.
Just a matter of getting councils to approve almost all new builds and the shortage will disappear.
There's some debate about whether residents/rate payers will allow councils to relax their building restrictions.
So the housing shortage comes down to you and I.

It's balance that is the issue I think.
Allowing anything to be built isn't ideal but neither is excessive restrictions.
What some of our cities look like is changing and people don't like change.

'Comes down to you and I' - maybe, maybe not. One of the big issues is funding the infrastructure required for the growth.
I think this is a big issue that needs a lot more work to solve.

[chook]

Turn off the tap and take a breather.

Review the matter, some time later.

Only resident or born-here NZ citizens can own NZ land and buildings would be next.

Then maybe tougher criteria to obtain citizenship.

The bleeding heart, do-gooder. socialists who are ruining NZ will label that message as xenophobic and any other nasty phrases they can shriek, to distract people from the message.

Charity begins at home.

Perry for PM!, well said. There is no housing crisis in NZ its an out of control immigration crisis!

[Wayne]

Perry for PM!, well said. There is no housing crisis in NZ its an out of control immigration crisis!

So if we stopped ALL immigration now that would solve the housing issue that we have?
Or do we also need to deport all those who have come into NZ in the last few years?

Remember that a lot of the population growth, as well as being immigrants, was returning NZers and some Aussies.
Kiwis coming back and less leaving. They need houses also.

[Davo36]

So if we stopped ALL immigration now that would solve the housing issue that we have?
Or do we also need to deport all those who have come into NZ in the last few years?

Remember that a lot of the population growth, as well as being immigrants, was returning NZers and some Aussies.
Kiwis coming back and less leaving. They need houses also.

Wayne, you're wrong about the returning kiwis bit. I hear this a lot. But for the past few years, there have in fact been more kiwis leaving than coming home.

Secondly, you can't deport. But we could put it to zero and then wait for the infrastructure to catch up.

[Wayne]

Wayne, you're wrong about the returning kiwis bit. I hear this a lot. But for the past few years, there have in fact been more kiwis leaving than coming home.

Secondly, you can't deport. But we could put it to zero and then wait for the infrastructure to catch up.

Didn't answer my question though.
So if we have a shortage of housing now how is turning off the immigration tap the solution as has been suggested?
We still have too many people for the housing we have and, as you say, we can't send them back.
Sure the situation won't get worse but how do we make it better?

Regarding the NZers coming home - it is true that the tide has turned a little as the Aus economy picks up but the immigration tap has been flowing for a while now and a lot of the huge numbers of people coming in were people we couldn't stop. Still no excuse for the poor quality immigration of the past (I'm looking at Nat here but Labour have yet to stop it - they sorted a little at the edges but ... )

In short I trying to highlight that some here have just as woolly thinking as our political masters yet claim to have the answers.

[Perry]

I'm sure that the W'gton woodenheads don't have an exclusive on woolly thinking.

But I'm still of the view that NZ should stop all immigration (including so-called refugees so Taxcindarella can look good and get a pat on the head at the UN, but excluding ex-pats) and do a review later.

Timing is most certainly a factor. Stopping immigration right now sounds good. Much better than any more talkfests, or 'working groups,' or the like.

But timing didn't stop Labour's hustings BS from swaying the great unwashed of their core constituency that they were going to find homes easier to buy. No.

Dhil's 18 in year one, out of the pre-election-promised 10,000 per year makes it lucidly clear that the W'gton woodenheads only want to talk about the solutions and make it look like they're doing something.

Anyone with half a brain knew (and knows) that Dhil Twitford & Co can't auto-magically conjure up the human and physical construction resources necessary to achieve what was 'promised.'

Only the terminally gullible believed it.

[Perry]

Million-dollar Christchurch apartment plans scrapped
22 Jan 2019

Plans for two new Christchurch apartment towers promising million-dollar homes have been dropped, with a slow market getting the blame. The owners of the sites of The Verve Apartments planned for Peterborough St by Victoria St, and the Carlton Mill Apartments planned opposite Hagley Park, are[sic] both offered their land for sale.

[Perry]

The Tooth Fairy & Fix-It Crew

Prime Minister launches accord to repair broken building sector
14 April 2019

Five ministers, including Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern, have announced the creation of an "accord" they hope will end the country's litany of sub-standard building. "We know that we need more houses. We know we need to build houses quickly. This accord focuses on technological improvements we can work on to improve productivity."

All the 'window dressing' charade of hi-vis vests and hard hats at a talkfest!
Given that Dhil Twitford of Kiwijilt fame is in the front row, don't hold out too much hope!

Stuff photo

Anyone keen to launch an accord to repair broken government sector?
No?

[Davo36]

Let's see, we have a Ministry of Housing and Urban Development - check.

A housing accord - check.

It's basically done now isn't it?

[artemis]

Let's see, we have a Ministry of Housing and Urban Development - check.

A housing accord - check.

It's basically done now isn't it?

Not quite. We also have a Minister for Building and Construction - Jenny Salesa. She has extensive experience as a lawyer, health specialist and analyst. All good then.