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  • muppet
    Banned
    • Sep 2003
    • 10593

    #1

    Hijacked over mortgage fees

    Hijacked over mortgage fees

    4:00 AM Sunday Apr 25, 2010 Banks are enforcing hefty fees for home-owners to roll over their fixed term loans, brokers say.
    With most terms ranging from six months to three years, and mortgages split into two or three loans, some borrowers could pay thousands of dollars more to fulfil the Kiwi dream.
    ASB Bank has tightened up on enforcing fees faced by every mortgage holder when resetting their rates, according to brokers.
    And it appears other banks could be heading in the same direction with one mortgage broker reporting that Westpac has also applied stricter criteria on fees that were previously negotiable.
    Kiwibank has also said the $100 fee being charged will rarely be waived.
    Edge Mortgages broker Andrew McMacready said ASB Bank had met with a number of brokers to explain that it would now enforce the fees "as a matter of course".
    An ASB Bank document obtained by the Herald on Sunday said it introduced the new fee schedule to "reflect the time and complexity in providing the best in customer service".
    The fees would now apply from a series of dates between March and May.
    While the document shows that the cost of the fees is reducing in some cases - from $250 to $50 - brokers say the customers will have a tougher time getting fees waived.
    The only customers not having to pay fees for refixing a mortgage were those referred to as a "high value clients".
    The bank said in the document that fees were required by law to be "fair" and represent the cost of handling a loan. It said the fees were changing to "fairly reflect the time and resources we allocate to client interactions".
    The document also showed the ASB Bank was wiping a $500 contribution previously given to customers to help pay for legal fees.
    ASB chief executive of retail banking Ian Park said the refixing fee was a "standard fee".
    "Whether the manager charges it will depend on a number of things. But I would expect the fee to be charged," he said.
    "But I expected it in the past. The only thing that changed is that we reduced the fee."
    Financial expert Bernard Hickey said: "New Zealanders might be surprised to know that the big Australian banks are not happy with their New Zealand operations. All the major banks are under pressure to improve profits from their head offices in Melbourne and Sydney. This may be one of the moves they are taking to improve their profits."
    MortgagePeople broker Janet Harris said Westpac was charging $250 for refixing a loan but customers who owed less than 80 per cent of the value of their home could get the fee waived.
    But Westpac's general manager of retail banking Bruce McLachlan said staff were allowed to waive the fees.
    He said: "I don't believe it's right to have a black and white approach. ... ASB are taking a totally different stance than what they have done in the past."
    A Kiwibank spokesman said the bank had a set fee for refixing that would be charged "in normal circumstances".
    An ANZ and National Bank spokeswoman said customers were not charged to refix mortgages. A BNZ spokeswoman said a two week "no fee" promotion had just finished. A fee of $150 was applied "case by case".
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  • anony-1
    Freshie
    • Apr 2009
    • 12

    #2
    experiences?

    This change in practice was mentioned in a previous thread.


    Anyone else done a recent re-fix and can comment? Any brokers had the talking-to they mention in the article?

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    • Perry
      Geriatric
      • Sep 2004
      • 16861

      #3
      Huh?

      Originally posted by NZ Herald
      Financial expert Bernard Hickey said . . .
      Disclosure documents, anyone?
      .

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      • PC
        Fanatical
        • Apr 2004
        • 2172

        #4
        B Hickey is an expert???
        In what? B.S. & sensationalism?
        The three most harmful addictions are heroin, carbohydrates and a monthly salary - Fred Wilson.

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        • rentalrunner
          Freshie
          • Apr 2010
          • 34

          #5
          I've been hit with a break fee on a mortgage which was over $3000. my timing sucked because id only fixed it a few months before but rates were plummeting and it was going to cost me more to keep it.

          interestingly the bank i was with refunded part of it after the media spotlight on excessive break fees but it still sucked!
          Last edited by Perry; 28-04-2010, 10:49 AM. Reason: fixed typo

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          • dandan
            Addicted
            • Apr 2004
            • 563

            #6
            Originally posted by rentalrunner View Post
            interestingly the bank i was with refunded part of it after the media spotlight on excessive break fees but it still sucked!
            Nice work, which bank was that?

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            • fatfishandchipman
              Opinionated
              • Aug 2009
              • 217

              #7
              Bernard Hickey is an expert – check out his web-site.

              http://www.interest.co.nz/home.asp

              He has been doing this since 1999. Just because, once in while he says things that you don’t want to hear is no reason to vilify the man.

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              • dandan
                Addicted
                • Apr 2004
                • 563

                #8
                Originally posted by fatfishandchipman View Post
                Bernard Hickey is an expert – check out his web-site.

                http://www.interest.co.nz/home.asp

                He has been doing this since 1999. Just because, once in while he says things that you don’t want to hear is no reason to vilify the man.
                Yes it is, his public prediction in 2009 that house prices would drop 30% scared alot of people and qualified his expertise as absolute rubbish.

                He's a good journalist though.

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                • fatfishandchipman
                  Opinionated
                  • Aug 2009
                  • 217

                  #9
                  Well, I read an article the other day that said some homes are selling for 50% less. You see the key word is “sell.” Home values are staying up for the homeowners who have yet to sell their homes – but for those that have actually sold – then sacrifices have been made. So, if you want to sell your home...you know what to do.

                  I’d say Hickey made a pretty spot-on prediction.

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                  • rentalrunner
                    Freshie
                    • Apr 2010
                    • 34

                    #10
                    Originally posted by dandan View Post
                    Nice work, which bank was that?
                    it was kiwibank. when it first happened i remember having extended discussions with bruce thompson from kiwibank about the rightness of the fee, even contending that they didnt inform me correctly when i first enquired about breaking it (before the rates dropped even further and the break fee increased considerably - from about $500 to $3000). we settled on knocking off about $500 and getting free fixes for a year.

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                    • rentalrunner
                      Freshie
                      • Apr 2010
                      • 34

                      #11
                      i remember staying up late doing all the sums to see if it was worth breaking but its pretty hard to do with any certainty - you can only trust rates were going to keep going down.

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                      • Choc
                        Opinionated
                        • Mar 2010
                        • 141

                        #12
                        Prediction

                        The "prediction" of a 30% fall was based on details I saw on a graph. It was related to the increase in house prices over time related to income/rents. The 30% was the decrease that had to be applied to bring house prices back onto the trend line. He was one of many people talking the same story.

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                        • dandan
                          Addicted
                          • Apr 2004
                          • 563

                          #13
                          Originally posted by rentalrunner View Post
                          it was kiwibank. when it first happened i remember having extended discussions with bruce thompson from kiwibank about the rightness of the fee, even contending that they didnt inform me correctly when i first enquired about breaking it (before the rates dropped even further and the break fee increased considerably - from about $500 to $3000). we settled on knocking off about $500 and getting free fixes for a year.
                          Nice. I wonder if we will ever hear the commerse commisions outcome of their kiwibank, westpac, ANZ unreasonable break fee investigation.

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                          • dandan
                            Addicted
                            • Apr 2004
                            • 563

                            #14
                            Originally posted by fatfishandchipman View Post
                            Well, I read an article the other day that said some homes are selling for 50% less. .
                            50% off sounds good, where abouts?

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