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  • drelly
    Fanatical
    • Jan 2004
    • 5838

    #1

    Economists predict end to property tax perks

    I just sent a rant to the NZ Herald in response to this article...
    Economists predict end to property tax perks
    Some tightening of tax rules surrounding property is inevitable, ANZ economists say.

    In ANZ's weekly Market Focus newsletter, they said that while prices in the housing market may be up, volumes and average days to sell had stabilised in the past few months.
    Rant as follows...

    I'd really like to see the NZ Herald offer some balanced reporting on the issue of taxes regarding property.

    Headlines like "Economists predict end to property tax perks" are not only misleading but a gross distortion of what the economists actually said.

    Property is consistantly being reported as having some kind of secret tax advantage not available to anyone else. This is a fallacy that the NZ Herald delights in repeating ad nauseum to sell papers.

    Property investors receive the same tax treatment as any other business. A property trader who buys and sells properties should pay tax on their profits, whereas a long term property investor, who holds property to create an income does not pay tax on sales.

    This is exactly the same as Sam Morgan, who started TradeMe and then sold it for $700m TAX FREE and the same as any business that is sold for a tax free capital gain.

    With this kind of reporting, you are helping to make less accessible a form of investing that is still open to anyone and able to provide a good retirement income.

    If you want to report on the real cause of the property boom, report on the banks' irresponsible lending practices. Report on the debt-fuelled consumer binge that has seen people spend more on crap they don't need than they invest for their own retirement or their children's education. Report on the finance companies that offer terms they hope the customer can't fulfil so that the 4 year interest free offer becomes 4 years of interest, plus penalties, plus compounding interest if you can't pay the lump sum at the end.
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  • Mark_B
    Addicted
    • Apr 2004
    • 676

    #2
    Originally posted by drelly View Post
    report on the banks' irresponsible lending practices.... report on the finance companies that offer terms they hope the customer can't fulfil....
    As a society, we demanded and they provided.

    Were they, or was someone else, meant to save us from ourselves?
    Last edited by Mark_B; 16-11-2009, 05:58 PM.
    Comments may not be relevant to individual circumstances. Before making any investment, financial or taxation decision you should consult a professional adviser.

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    • drelly
      Fanatical
      • Jan 2004
      • 5838

      #3
      Speak for yourself... I've never had anything on hire purchase or interest free terms! Society didn't demand anything, they only responded to the offers presented.

      That's not really my point though. The media is becoming increasingly irresponsible in their reporting and creating news with their own spin to get the most sensational result. In fact it's not news at all, it's propaganda with a purpose. The only question is whether it's directed or a by-product of their drive to sell papers.
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      • Davo36
        Fanatical
        • Sep 2007
        • 8450

        #4
        Well the thing is the media are just businesses too.

        I'm reading a book right now called "The Rise and Rise of Kerry Packer". It started with the grandfather, then went on to the father of Kerry and will later get on to the Kerry bit.

        Now the grandfather and father were both newspaper men. Kerry took over later and also got into TV etc. But what struck me was just how sly and corrupt they were. We tend to think of the older generations being much more reserved and honest and good and so on.

        But the grandfather made the beginnings of the family fortune with pages of beauty contestants in the papers (like porn today) and the beauty contests were HUGE - maybe a bit like American Idle is today.

        And the father (Frank) made his money with rubbish too. Very populist stuff with lots of competitions and so on. He also started the Australian Women's Weekly, and that's what went best for him money-wise. Stories of the royals and so on. And well that's just rubbish.

        Frank basically decided who he wanted to have in government (which was always the conservatives) and made it happen via his media empire. He totally shafted the labour party with all sorts of false allegations, rumour and just outright lies. In turn they supported him when in office.

        And then Kerry came along and dumbed things down even more. He owned Channel 9 and basically turned it into a sports and news channel because that was what he liked and it was cheap to make and the masses loved it.

        So they all sold papers firstly and ran news items secondarily. You don't make money by hiring reporters and showing the news. You make money by selling papers full of advertising, with just enough content to make people buy it. And often that content is absolute drivel which many people love.

        And so with the Herald and the property story: Well it's an easy filler. Rich property investors are ripping off the poor working people, blah blah blah. 9 out of 10 people would believe it. It's a bit like saying car salesmen are dodgy or something.

        And it sells papers and makes money. That's the objective.
        Squadly dinky do!

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        • Jumpin
          Fanatical
          • Jun 2006
          • 1293

          #5
          What property tax perks would they be?

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          • Munga
            Opinionated
            • May 2008
            • 147

            #6
            Isn't the number 1 rule in journalism not to let the facts get in the way of a good story?

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            • Heg
              Fanatical
              • Jul 2005
              • 1309

              #7
              Nice rant. Way to go Drelly
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              • Heg
                Fanatical
                • Jul 2005
                • 1309

                #8
                P.S I refer to 'The Herald' as 'the Beano' (only it's not quite as funny and has more grammatical errors)
                Jo Birch
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                • PC
                  Fanatical
                  • Apr 2004
                  • 2172

                  #9
                  What is fair about special laws for one small bussiness over another?
                  Any law change they make should apply to all businesses in general.

                  And another rant - Since I'm now paying for the rugby world cup - Where are my tickets???
                  Aucklanders - pay for the roads & now the rugby!
                  The three most harmful addictions are heroin, carbohydrates and a monthly salary - Fred Wilson.

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                  • Perry
                    Geriatric
                    • Sep 2004
                    • 16861

                    #10
                    Drelly
                    Good luck with getting an answer from
                    Granny. Even a semi-intelligent one.

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