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  • muppet
    Banned
    • Sep 2003
    • 10593

    #1

    Renters can make gains over the long term - Mary Holm

    Hi Guys

    Our esteemed financial wizard is again giving her opinion but this time regarding the advatages of renting.

    Renters can make gains over the long term
    18 July 2006

    By MARY HOLM
    Most New Zealanders grow up expecting to own their own home, but soaring house prices have made it harder for people to get into the market. Does that matter? Is home ownership all it's cracked up to be?

    There are some obvious advantages to owning a home. It gives you security and pride and the freedom to decorate, garden and make improvements as you please. Nobody can kick you out.

    However, there are also advantages to renting. You can move easily and cheaply, and you have less responsibility. These days, too, New Zealand rents are at an all-time low relative to house prices, according to the Economist magazine.

    Obviously, if you rent and spend the rest of your income, you will reach retirement with much less wealth than a homeowner.

    But disciplined renters who save the difference between their rent and what they would have paid for similar accommodation – including mortgage, insurance, maintenance and rates – will sometimes end up better off.

    In my book, Get Rich Slow: How to grow your wealth the safe and savvy way, I compare the fortunes of Hannah Homeowner and Ronnie Renter, who invests in shares or a share fund and never owns his home. Hannah uses a mortgage, which means her investment in her home is geared, while Ronnie doesn't use gearing.

    Who does best over the long term? That depends on many factors: the size of Hannah's mortgage, mortgage interest rates, the growth rate in house values, the growth rate in shares and so on. If we plug in one set of reasonable numbers, Hannah wins. Change a few assumptions, and Ronnie wins.

    If Hannah wanted to raise a loan to develop a business, she could borrow against the equity in her house. Ronnie might not raise money as easily. On the other hand, Ronnie could cash in and invest directly. Also, Ronnie can more easily diversify his savings.

    People with school-aged children tend to want the security of home ownership, whereas younger people might prefer the freedom of being tenants. Empty nesters enjoy that freedom too, but many want to be in their own homes by retirement time.

    Personality matters too. Some people love to spend their spare time doing home and garden maintenance; others hate it. As someone said: "Did you have a good weekend or do you own your own home?"

    If you're the homeowner type but you have yet to buy your first home, don't get too down about it. The housing market is slowing. Even if average prices don't fall – and they might – there are sure to be some bargains in the next few years, sold by people tired of being on the market.

    In the meantime, I wouldn't recommend saving in shares or a share fund, like Ronnie Renter. Volatile investments such as shares should be long-term. But you can build up your house deposit nicely in term deposits, which pay pretty high interest these days.

    AdvertisementAdvertisementIn a few years, KiwiSaver might help you, depending on your income and the value of the house. If you sign up for the scheme next April, three years later the government will give you $3000 toward your first home. Or you can get $4000 after four years or $5000 after five years. And a couple can get twice as much. It all helps.


    Mary Holm is a seminar presenter, author of Get Rich Slow and publisher of quarterly newsletter Holm Truths (see www.maryholm.com). Her advice is of a general nature, and she is not responsible for any loss that any reader may suffer from following the advice. She can be reached at [email protected].
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,...1a1865,00.html
  • Niall
    Forum Junkie
    • Apr 2006
    • 380

    #2
    I must say I was rather confused with the logic through out this column. I read it in the paper and was wondering did she actually mean to contradict herself so often in the one page.

    For example. Basis of the column is that there would be not much difference in return between a homeowner paying off a mortgage and a renter using the difference between Rent cost and Mortgage cost and putting that into Shares.

    Later then ses shares are not a recomended investemnt at the moment.

    Then to complete the full about face, ses in a few years Government grants will help more people to buy their own house.


    Quite annoyed that I didnt realise newspapers pay people for such comments. I could be equally as confusing and contradictory if someone paid me aswell.

    Rgds,

    Niall

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    • SuperDad
      Hamilton Event Organiser
      • Apr 2006
      • 4015

      #3
      My favourite part is the following disclaimer:

      Her advice is of a general nature, and she is not responsible for any loss that any reader may suffer from following the advice.
      Yep, the advice is general alright. In fact, it is general to the point that it is in danger of being completely devoid of content. If the article is meant to be a contribution to the perenial "rent vs. buy" debate, then it does not make any contribution to that debate. (Why? Because MH effectively gives a "maybe, maybe not" answer to the question of whether one is better off renting or buying.) Also, Mary conflates short-term and long-term investment horizons. For example, she suggests putting money into term deposits to save for a house deposit, or for future investment in shares. This has very little to do with the rent vs. buy debate. After all, who is going to save for a house deposit by...purchasing a house?

      I personally don't have a considered opinion on the rent vs. own home debate. As Mary rightly points out, a lot of factors come into play, and much depends on an individual's personal circumstances.

      However, if one were to rent and then invest the surplus funds, I would say that having at least one rental property would be an important part of a long-term portfolio, with the obvious tax benefits that come with ownership. Shares are good too, for the long term. My wife and I are doing both (our share investment is in managed funds rather than direct investment).

      Paul.

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      • spurner
        Fanatical
        • Apr 2005
        • 1583

        #4
        Cetainly from a cashflow perspective it’s a lot cheaper to rent than buy.

        As an example the last place I lived in/rented was an apartment valued at $450k+. Servicing this debt would cost $37,350pa, plus $2,000 rates, $4,000 body corp fees, and $2,000 maintenance. That is $870 a week just for the privilege of owning this apartment. My rent I was paying - $430pw.

        I can’t justify paying $23,000 a year to own this apartment. Now maybe you’d have a deposit and borrow less, but then you’d also lose potential income from investing this deposit elsewhere. And maybe the value would increase and you’d make a capital gain during ownership, but don’t forget the first $23,000 in capital gain is entirely wiped out by ownership costs. If the value doesn’t increase at least 5% you’ve actually gone backwards.

        I’m not saying buying a home or personal residence is a bad idea or bad investment, just giving another perspective, and saying there’s other things you can do with that money, to make more money. I’ve been investing 8 years and built up a substantial portfolio, and I know I wouldn’t have nearly as much now, if home ownership had been a priority for me. I have never owned my own home, by choice.

        Also, I like the freedom of renting, being able to move whenever and wherever one feels like. If you don’t like the neighbours or you want to try apartment or city living or just a change of circumstances then you can be out of there in only 3 weeks.

        And the money you save on renting can be invested into IP.

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        • Monid
          Philophaster
          • Feb 2004
          • 3062

          #5
          I'm definitely the home owner type myself, since all I see are upsides:

          1. Inflation proofing your living costs.
          The first advantage of buying is that you effectively inflation proof your living costs, while renters living costs go up and up in principle at least the only way a home owners living costs should go is down!

          2. The ability to ultimately pay next to nothing for accomidation. One of our biggest costs is usually the place we live in whether it is rent or mortgage that we pay. But the advantage with a mortgage is you can, in some cases fairly rapidly, pay it off. Then one major cost of living is gone.

          3. The savings of renting can easily be eaten up by the hidden costs such as needing to move when the landlord demands it. This is especially problematic in a hot property market, I had one friend who moved 5 times, basically every six months because their landlords sold the place out from under them.

          That said I do have some rules in regards to home ownership, namely I won't buy anything unless it stacks up as a good rental, (So I can keep it) or I think we will be staying in it long enough to cover the costs of selling and moving (usually 3-5 years).

          David
          New to property investing? See: Best PropertyTalk Threads for New and Old Investors And/Or:Propertytalk Wiki

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          • tim360
            Opinionated
            • Jan 2005
            • 175

            #6
            Our current strategy is to continue renting whilst purchasing more investment properties.

            Renting allows us to live in a nice house in a nice area of town at about half the cost of owning the same house. We've been at the same place for 2.5 years now.

            If you can get over the emotional hurdle of having to own your own house then I think renting and focusing on your investment properties is a good strategy for someone in similar circumstances to ourselves (Dble Income no kids)

            Sure you're at the mercy of the landlord but we've struck it lucky, and even if we had to move it's no stress as we like change anyway.

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            • Mark_B
              Addicted
              • Apr 2004
              • 676

              #7
              Originally posted by tim360
              Our current strategy is to continue renting whilst purchasing more investment properties.

              Yes. It needs to be acknowledged that it can work for the right kind of person.

              It isn't for everyone, but then what method of investing is?

              Fyi - these polls are from the leading investment property forum in Australia. They're both a bit old now, but in this one:

              My question is simple. Is there anyone out there who rents and invests as opposed to having a PPOR and investing? What would you say are the pro's and/or cons of one vs the other? Lisa :-)


              20% of respondents answered "yes" to "I do not own a PPOR, and have equity in IP's totalling > $500K", and in this:

              Seems most people I know in Sydney still owe a substantial amount of $$$'s :eek: on their PPOR instead of choosing to rent while building a substantial property portfolio. The choice between renting and buying a PPOR is a personal one I know with many pros and cons either way. I am myself going...


              30% said they still rent.


              Maybe it isn't as common in NZ?

              M
              Last edited by Mark_B; 21-07-2006, 11:51 AM.
              Comments may not be relevant to individual circumstances. Before making any investment, financial or taxation decision you should consult a professional adviser.

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              • kalovatt
                Forum Junkie
                • Jan 2004
                • 272

                #8
                Well I did that. I bought 8 IP's before I bought my own place.

                I was single though, which makes a fairly huge difference.

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                • Monid
                  Philophaster
                  • Feb 2004
                  • 3062

                  #9
                  Hmm, how about this, one advantage of buying a home first before you start on IP's is that a home can be much more highly geared ie %95 than a rental which allows people to get them much sooner, and then with the slow creap of capital gains develop a decent equity based deposit for an IP. This was effectively the path we took, though purely through chance rather than sound planning at the time. Still its what I tend to reccomend to friends since these days finding a %5 deposit is hard enough %20? Nigh on impossible.
                  New to property investing? See: Best PropertyTalk Threads for New and Old Investors And/Or:Propertytalk Wiki

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                  • keleri
                    Opinionated
                    • Nov 2004
                    • 111

                    #10
                    I bought my first rental in 1974. Cost $21000. Rental was $25 weekly. Mortgage paid off 10 years ago. Value now $320,000 and rent $320 weekly. Anyone doing the basic maths on that to me would see rental payments continue to the day you snuff it. The $10,000 I put in is now worth $310,000 profit. There are many ways to calculate out rent/buy figures so there will be many different views, but this works for me.

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                    • revdev
                      Fanatical
                      • Jan 2005
                      • 1816

                      #11
                      Originally posted by keleri
                      I bought my first rental in 1974. Cost $21000. Rental was $25 weekly. Mortgage paid off 10 years ago. Value now $320,000 and rent $320 weekly. Anyone doing the basic maths on that to me would see rental payments continue to the day you snuff it. The $10,000 I put in is now worth $310,000 profit. There are many ways to calculate out rent/buy figures so there will be many different views, but this works for me.
                      Welcome to the forum keleri, from the date you have given here looks like you have been at the business awhile!

                      We look forward to your future comments built on experience.

                      All the best

                      G
                      Premium Villa Holidays in Turkey

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                      • Perry
                        Geriatric
                        • Sep 2004
                        • 16861

                        #12
                        Keleri, you better hustle over to the "Age" poll.
                        Our end needs propping up a bit!

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                        • olly_pilchard
                          Freshie
                          • Sep 2006
                          • 30

                          #13
                          Hey Perry is Mary Holm still around. Never heard of her here in the windy city. be interested in if one can still take part in a thread nearly 4 years old ! Her article at the beginning of the thread was a particularly articulate rendition of nonsense.

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                          • Perry
                            Geriatric
                            • Sep 2004
                            • 16861

                            #14
                            Do a search for 'holm'

                            She has been mentioned in the
                            PT despatches, just recently.
                            Not very charitably, either.

                            Start here. Oh, and page down
                            to the [Similar Threads] panel,
                            at the bottom of this page, for
                            more 'light' reading.
                            .

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                            • muppet
                              Banned
                              • Sep 2003
                              • 10593

                              #15
                              Our dearest Mary answers readers questions in the NZ herald every Saturday.

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