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  • OllyN
    Fanatical
    • Dec 2004
    • 1041

    #1

    Bankrupt landlords- Mary Holm

    This time Mary Holm has summed up what I have always thought of her advice
    Writing in today's Herald she spat out more nonsense then usual - even for her.

    The problem with her whole page is that we have no idea if the so called enquiries she answers are real or just "patsy" questions designed to be answered the way she wants.

    Just read what she says about investors and the possible tax changes:

    Landlords must accept changes
    By Mary Holm

    Those at risk of being bankrupted by tax changes knew what they were getting into


    I suppose you're right, that some property investors could be bankrupted by tax changes.
    But only those who have borrowed heavily, which is always a risky strategy.
    I don't think it's the government's role to protect people who knowingly take big risks in the hope of making big returns.
    And it's not as if they haven't been warned that changes were likely.


    link: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/n...ectid=10633093

    You can almost see her rubbing her hands as she dreams of investors burning in hell.

    Investors were never warned about tax changes until last month when John Key fumbled the ball and announced his backing of some of the TWG recommendations but with no detail. The massive increase in listings, and slow down of sales since then may achieve what our other friend Bernard Hickey has been trying to predict ( with spectacular failure to date).

    For decades investors have followed the rules and guidelines laid down by the authorities and have done exactly what the law said they could do. Now
    for their honesty, hard work, risks and dedication, some "could face bankruptcy" for doing things that were, and still are, perfectly legal, and sanctioned by the highest authorities.

    If the proposed changes do bankrupt some innocent investors, no doubt Mary Holm and many others will be very pleased.

    It's one thing to change the law to stop rorts, rip-offs and illegal manipulations. It is quite a different thing to change the law to deliberately
    to hurt the innocent.

    The National Government has been riding high so far but the tax changes, if mishandled may be the tipping point for them.

    The once hugely popular Labour party under Helen Clark subsequently slide down the polls faster than greased lightening in an hurry because of its backing of the looney anti smacking law. That piece of nonsense was Labour's tipping point. So too may go its successor unless it treads carefully with this proposed change.

    Property investors when they unite, make formidable foes.

    Love and hate are closely allied emotions. One can lead to the other in an instant.
    OllyN [email protected]
    Independent Property Consultant
    Residential and Commercial Solutions
  • Stevegoodey
    Fanatical
    • Mar 2005
    • 1136

    #2
    I think we all knew the Key government would eventually make the Clark government look like the good old days, but I didn't think it would happen so quickly.

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    • Dean@Massiveaction
      Giving life my best shot
      • Jun 2005
      • 5213

      #3
      Fortunately nobody much takes any notice of Mary, her anti property antics are so well known now.

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      • Jumpin
        Fanatical
        • Jun 2006
        • 1293

        #4
        Hang on - the govt haven't said what they'll do yet. While it's true they are walking a tightrope, you can hardly judge John Key by Mary Holm's glee at other's misfortune. Wait and see. The current slump in sales may well temper the budget decisions. Key is only too aware of the economic judder bar caused by the 'mother-of-all-budgets' in 1991 - and he wants a 2nd term.

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        • Tony FJ
          Freshie
          • Feb 2007
          • 21

          #5
          The surge in listings and increased days to sell is driven in a large part by the uncertainty around taxation. The government would have be been better served to make a once and for all announcement. At a time of poor economic performance introducing more uncertainty in the huge area (property, building etc) was not that smart! On the upside, the market should settle a bit once the changes are announced and investors see exactly what the impact will be.

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          • PC
            Fanatical
            • Apr 2004
            • 2172

            #6
            Better headline would have been:
            Tenants must accept rent increases.

            That would've stirred up the pinkos!
            The three most harmful addictions are heroin, carbohydrates and a monthly salary - Fred Wilson.

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            • ENP
              Addicted
              • Jan 2010
              • 589

              #7
              I quite like Mary Holm on basic finances for the "average" person. I've read her Get Rich Slow book and it was very helpful.

              She is really anti-real estate though. So I don't take any real estate advice from her, just personal finance and kiwisaver.
              "You’re neither right nor wrong because other people agree with you. You’re right because your facts are right and your reasoning is right"

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              • LKSteve
                Forum Junkie
                • Feb 2008
                • 270

                #8
                Originally posted by OllyN View Post
                It's one thing to change the law to stop rorts, rip-offs and illegal manipulations. It is quite a different thing to change the law to deliberately
                to hurt the innocent.
                National aren't planning to deliberately hurt innocents, they're just trying to raise money through a more equitable tax system.

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                • Tony FJ
                  Freshie
                  • Feb 2007
                  • 21

                  #9
                  National given their track record of playing things down the middle are unlikely to make drastic changes anyway.

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                  • McDuck
                    Fanatical
                    • Apr 2005
                    • 4377

                    #10
                    The problem that the Govt is going to sort out is a "systemic" one.

                    As you know, the Banks are a crucial part of a money based society.

                    So when you get a sector of the community undermining that crucial part, well..you have to eliminate it.

                    So that's just what the Govt is going to do.

                    If your activities have been undermining the tax take or the strength of the Banking system, then expect to become a target.

                    Sorry.

                    A society must protect it's own workings.
                    Last edited by McDuck; 20-03-2010, 03:17 PM.

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                    • Davo36
                      Fanatical
                      • Sep 2007
                      • 8450

                      #11
                      Landlords are undermining society? That's a bit off the wall isn't it mate?
                      Squadly dinky do!

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                      • Viking
                        Fanatical
                        • Sep 2008
                        • 1533

                        #12
                        Well LKsteve and Mcduck (ducks are not known for intelligence by the way) you had better start looking for an employer who is not an SME in NZ. Most SME's in NZ are funded by their mortgage or the collateral in their properties. Destroy that collateral behind those funds by depressing further property prices and bang goes the business community of SME's and there is about 80,000 of them that have survived thus far.
                        Do that and depression will be upon NZ as bad or worse than the 1930's. Bankruptcies, all over the place and don't forget that it will also place all our banks in dire straits as well for their collateral is the same as ours.

                        Some people just have no thoughts other than their own selfish interests and neither do they have the intellectual capacity to consider the ramifications of their blinkered thinking. That includes more than a few politicians. as well as the above.

                        As i have pointed out more than a few times the issue is one of tax rates and the benefits of trust rates lower than personal rates. Personal rates should be the lowest so that income is driven to the recipient rather than shetlered in trusts and in companies. Its really is that simple.
                        Last edited by Viking; 20-03-2010, 05:27 PM.

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                        • Hound
                          Addicted
                          • Jun 2004
                          • 651

                          #13
                          Any changes to the tax system will certainly be watered down, to appear to be doing something without losing National's core support. That is the central political path. The TWG couldn't find their own ar*e with two hands.

                          "Much outcry little outcome" Aesop.

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                          • OllyN
                            Fanatical
                            • Dec 2004
                            • 1041

                            #14
                            Bravo!

                            Viking: Well put indeed. I made the same point in my February column- but you have stated even better than I did.

                            Extract:

                            3. The Group is critical of property as an investment and are openly biased about the matter. It wants people to invest in businesses instead, either directly or through shares on our lacklustre stock exchange. As I have noted before, what the Group has failed to grasp is that banks are most reluctant to lend to businesses or for alternative investment without adequate security or collateral.

                            My clients repeatedly tell me that they cannot expand their businesses with the help of a bank loan unless they have collateral in the form of real estate. Even the most diligent business operator finds that obtaining finance without this form of collateral is very tough indeed
                            .

                            Olly Newland
                            Residential & Commercial Solutions
                            Totally Independent Advice

                            OllyN [email protected]
                            Independent Property Consultant
                            Residential and Commercial Solutions

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                            • McDuck
                              Fanatical
                              • Apr 2005
                              • 4377

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Davo36 View Post
                              Landlords are undermining society? That's a bit off the wall isn't it mate?

                              When you add it all up, everyone who got on the "get rich quick from housing by borrowing money from overseas" bandwagon, put our financial structures in severe danger.
                              It can't be allowed to happen again.
                              Last edited by McDuck; 20-03-2010, 09:33 PM.

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