We're not smoking we're vaping, says tenant.

[Bob Kane]

So we should debate the effects on the property not the person.

That's right.
So far no-one can show the property has been damaged and made a successful claim against the tenant.

[Keys]

I firmly believe it is up to the tenant to prove it is not harmful rather than the landlord to prove it is.

Just a quick edit.

There is something out there which is very dangerous, has no age limit on purchasers, can kill if misused, can be stored in almost any container which it does not fall out of, is relatively cheap, is largely unregulated on its use by anyone and can be found, usually, within 5km of where you live.

Pity that is not talked about here.

[eri]

water

we need water police

no we don't

auckland transport would be dishing out fines

as fast as they could electronically send them

which is very fast

[artemis]

water

we need water police

no we don't

auckland transport would be dishing out fines

as fast as they could electronically send them

which is very fast

Fencing around all waterways and coastlines, a la swimming pools, will sort it. Not sure about puddles, that might be a bridge too far. So to speak.

[Bob Kane]

I firmly believe it is up to the tenant to prove it is not harmful rather than the landlord to prove it is.

Won't you need to prove some damage has happened in order to make a claim against a tenant?
If a tenant signs your no vaping clause, and then vapes in the property, how will you present it at the TT?

[mrsaneperson]

Won't you need to prove some damage has happened in order to make a claim against a tenant?
If a tenant signs your no vaping clause, and then vapes in the property, how will you present it at the TT?

It still gives off a sticky residue the same as from smoke machines they use at discos as its the same substance Polyethylene Glycol or anti-freeze.

[Bob Kane]

It still gives off a sticky residue the same as from smoke machines they use at discos as its the same substance Polyethylene Glycol or anti-freeze.

The ingredient you're referring to is not polyethylene glycol at all, it's propylene glycol. Also used in medicinal inhalers.

One of you might be right - but which one?

[eri]

why ask others

and distrust their answers

when you can look it up yourself?

[Wayne]

Wiki says
The liquid in the e-cigarette, called e-liquid,^[5] is usually made of nicotine, propylene glycol, glycerine, and flavorings.^[6] Not all e-liquids contain nicotine.[7]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_cigarette

[Keys]

NASEM (National Academies of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine) report found here states that the jury is out on safety or otherwise. Why would you risk something which is optional?

[Wayne]

NASEM (National Academies of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine) report found here states that the jury is out on safety or otherwise. Why would you risk something which is optional?

I'm only interested in the damage, or otherwise, to my property not the person - that's their lookout (I'm not their mother).
At 590 pages the report is a little long for me to read - did it say that it would damage property? Make the ceilings yellow - that sort of thing?

[Keys]

The jury is out on safety or otherwise. That was a note put on a website which refereed to the report. I too, am not interested in reading lots of pages to view.

[mrsaneperson]

If vaping was so safe then why are travel companies sending out the following warning advisory?:

Please note, vaporisers, e-cigarettes and e-baraku are banned in Thailand, these items are likely to be confiscated and you could be fined or sent to prison for up to 10 years if convicted. Nations of Brunei, Cambodia, Indonesia, Singapore and Vietnam have imposed almost all-encompassing bans on e-smoking. We recommend you adhere to any restrictions imposed by customs and local law.

[eri]

The main reason for most of these countries putting restrictions in place is a 2014 report by the World Health Organisation (WHO), which highlighted their concerns about e-cigarette use.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/travel/4289492/we-reveal-the-countries-where-vaping-is-banned-and-could-even-get-you-chucked-in-prison/

[Wayne]

If vaping was so safe then why are travel companies sending out the following warning advisory?:

Please note, vaporisers, e-cigarettes and e-baraku are banned in Thailand, these items are likely to be confiscated and you could be fined or sent to prison for up to 10 years if convicted. Nations of Brunei, Cambodia, Indonesia, Singapore and Vietnam have imposed almost all-encompassing bans on e-smoking. We recommend you adhere to any restrictions imposed by customs and local law.

You see a travel advisory and turn it into a safety advisory.
Did those countries ban it because it wasn't safe or do they have other reasons.
Could be due to antisocial behaviour - some vapers seem to think they can blow their 'smoke' wherever and on whomever they wish.

I don't like cigarettes or vaping - I'd totally ban both.