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    My partner owns a rental property in the Auckland City area. One of the tenants moved out in the weekend (with our prior knowledge).
    Today she received an email and a very aggressive telephone call from a person in the ACC environments office, part of which reads:

    I am emailing to you with an urgent request:
    Your tenants have recently moved out of your property xxx Avenue and dumped lots of unwanted furniture and items in black bags and boxes just outside on the public grass verge. A $400 fine and extra costs for removal of the rubbish applies to the offenders. Evidence found in the illegally dumped rubbish pile and enquiries with neighbours confirm that the pile comes from these tenants. (photos attached)
    Please contact me urgently in regards to solving this matter. As the landlord/landlady, we expect that you take responsibility for the actions of your tenants shifting goods off your private property onto public property.
    Should you still be in possession of the bond, I recommend that you keep it until it is cleared or use the bond for clearing up by a professional company. Should the tenants themselves remove the pile, they have to provide evidence that they disposed of the rubbish in a lawful manner, eg receipt of transfer station for a trailer load etc."


    This dumping was news to us, and I find the attitude of the ACC person appalling. In particular, I would dispute "As the landlord/landlady, we expect that you take responsibility for the actions of your tenants shifting goods off your private property onto public property." Why? The tenants are free white and over 21, they are responsible for their own actions.
    Also "Should the tenants themselves remove the pile, they have to provide evidence that they disposed of the rubbish in a lawful manner" seems untrue. Under what statute do they have to?
    Is this attitude from the Council normal, or is it - as I suspect - aggressive overkill. I am trying to calm down before I go in and attack them myself.


  • #2
    Email them back with, - "Not my problem, here are their contact details if you wish to take it up with them personally".

    From my experiences with dealing with council, either in my job, or regarding my own personal property matters is that they are a bunch of 'pencil pushing numbskulls' that wouldn't have a clue about the reality of commonsense, and they try and make themselves look important by spouting a garbage understanding of a rule, from a set of rules that they have no real understanding themselves.......i.e. they're idiot sheep!

    BAA!!

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    • #3
      Plus you could add a request under the Official Information Act for the legislation or bylaws which support their position. That should stop them in their tracks.

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      • #4
        From my experience Council employees are thicker and more lazy than govt employees. In this instance it is too hard for them to instantly threaten the tenants with removing the rubbish because they have not got there contact details, but they have yours. By sending you a threatening email they have responded too your neighbours complant about the rubbish without leaving their desk , thus doing their job and being able to prove it.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Dean View Post
          From my experience Council employees are thicker and more lazy than govt employees. In this instance it is too hard for them to instantly threaten the tenants with removing the rubbish because they have not got there contact details, but they have yours. By sending you a threatening email they have responded too your neighbours complant about the rubbish without leaving their desk , thus doing their job and being able to prove it.
          I am a council employee and take offence at the "Council employees are thicker and more lazy than govt employees". Govt employees are by far thicker. As for the rest of the comment i tend to agree. But the email was totally over the top. I wouldnt have been surprised if you had received an email asking for the tenants forwarding details and informing you of the problem they have caused. but the email you got was over the top.

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          • #6
            I knew there would be at least one Council employee on this site during working hours, confirms the lazy part of my post.I agree with you though, Govt emplyees are thicker.

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            • #7
              I always looked at Councils as employers of last resort. If you could not get a job anywhere else the council would employ you. I don't view the govt sector like that.
              I woudn't say that council workers are thicker its just that they are so caught up in their own little bureaucratic world.

              I had an experiance where I had some kind neighbors dumping rubbish on one of my empty sections. One then complained to the coucil that it was an eyesore and the council promptly rang me demanding I clear the site and get the neighbours to stop.

              My helpful suggestion that I erect a barbed wire fence around the site was met with a "thats against our bylaws and we would have to prosecute" response. Needless to say the dumping continues.

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