Growth Unsustainable

[sarahd]

I have just discovered Albert Bartlett from University of Colorado and his speech on "Arithmetic, Population and Energy" and his statement:

"The greatest shortcoming of the human race is our inability to understand the exponential function."

Has anyone watched this? It is just AMAZING and really makes you think. Its quite long but worth it.

Be interested in getting feedback on it and how his model is relating to the property 'bust'.

The first one of eight on Youtube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5iFESMAU58

but you can probably search and get the whole thing somewhere.

Thoughts anyone?

[tricky]

Is that the old geezer who went on and on and on about some simple arithmetic and then got sidetracked into god and abortions?

I think we went there back in February:
http://www.propertytalk.com/forum/sh...ad.php?t=14713

[Badger]

Perhaps Tricky you can be so kind to explain to the rest of us how

INFINITE ECONOMIC GROWTH IS POSSIBLE ON A FINITE SPHERE WITH FINITE RESOURCES???

your answer is?

[tricky]

Hi Badger,
You should watch those videos and read that thread.
You'll love it.

[Gatekeeper]

I think it may have been Badger or even myself that posted that link to Dr Bartlett. SarahD sees the ramifications. Good on you, you watched it all

You can relate it to much of what is going on financially, currently the exponential creation of money out of thin air. The last doubling kills it all. It's happening. The US are going to thin down the supply again to bail our Freddie and Fannie. There goes oil up again.

[sarahd]

I can't stop thinking about it being 11.59!!

Now I'm reading a book called "Collapse".

I'm on the section of Easter Islanders. They wiped out their entire forests becasue they wanted to build some lovely statues. Only took them a couple of hundred years to destroy the entire forests on Easter Island because of finite resources.

How dumb are we to think there are infinite resources out there!

Sarah D

[chook]

you obviously watched the wrong video tricky. it should be compulsory viewing for every human on earth, david suzuki spoke about it twenty odd years ago, but NOBODY LISTENED? and its playing out exactly, and humans are meant to be smart!!!?

[tricky]

Chook, was it the videos where all the students were bored stiff after 3 mins as the old geezer repeated himself many times and then went off topic?
Why didn't he just say his bit and stop?
It's just simple maths isn't it?

Why would anyone want to make the whole 8 videos compulsory viewing?
Do you hate kids?

[Sara]

Huge food for thought.

Watched the first few videos...serious business. Any exponential growth can be as exciting as it is scary - applied to learning this theory has huge ramifications, just as it does to compound interest but applied to usage of limited resources, not only oil, but food then it's a rapid road to implosion. Apply the theory to global warming and no wonder the ice caps are breaking up 20 years early than predicted.
Its hard to watch those vids and maintain a positive attitude. The gloom and doomsters have all the proof they need in this theory...we are not only heading for a recession but a complete meltdown until a collective figuring sorts out a 'new' way of being that just might well be an ancient way.
Thanks for giving the link Sarahd.

[tricky]

Its hard to watch those vids and maintain a positive attitude.

Well done Badger.
Poor Sara is now dusting off the AK47.

[Sara]

Naaaaaa Im not.

Big chuckle...best laugh so far!

[Badger]

Hi Badger,
You should watch those videos and read that thread.
You'll love it.

the link originally came from myself or gatekeeper



So any how time to pony up and answer the question

HOW DO YOU HAVE INFINITE ECONOMIC GROWTH ON A FINITE SPHERE WITH FINITE RESOURCES ?

[tricky]

the link originally came from me tricky



So any how time to pony up and answer the question

HOW DO YOU HAVE INFINITE ECONOMIC GROWTH ON A FINITE SPHERE WITH FINITE RESOURCES ?

You really should watch those videos, Badger.

[Badger]

Well done Badger.
Poor Sara is now dusting off the AK47.

You will be too but it hasnt registered yet soon you'll have no choice as shortages begin to creep in to more peoples situations..

tricky also discovered his Reserve bank paper well was just that coloured paper with no backing...mmm tricked...

where as Sarah now has a head start and a AK47 with ammo purchased while her paper money still bought stuff...

[Badger]

You really should watch those videos, Badger.

You should read the posts that are posted

Wakey Wakey pay attention to what others write

now answer the question...