Global Warming

[muppet]

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[jimO]

ok tell me why the planet was covered in ice thousands of years ago and isnt now, cant blame man for that

[Davo36]

It's all BS as far as I'm concerned. It'll get colder again at some point.

This will all be seen as the biggest rort in history in the next few decades.

[w44vi]

I wish it would get warmer, and if sea level would rise by about 10 meters then I could have my tropical beach front property I have always wanted but could never afford.

[Bob Kane]

This will all be seen as the biggest rort in history in the next few decades.

Agree.
I'm starting to pick up small references that even the scientists are realising that their modelling has been flawed.
CO2 is not a bad guy.

[Winston001]

ok tell me why the planet was covered in ice thousands of years ago and isnt now, cant blame man for that

Sort of. The true ice ages occurred off and on over millions of years with cool periods in more recent geological history.

The real problem is human industrial pollution. Smog. Dirty water. Poisoned soil. That is real, easy to see, and has an impact today. Right now. Kill the bacteria in the soil and you wont be eating any longer.

That's what the climate change movement is focused on.

[jimO]

That's what the climate change movement is focused on.

i thought it was focused on making us pay more tax

[Davo36]

Sort of. The true ice ages occurred off and on over millions of years with cool periods in more recent geological history.

The real problem is human industrial pollution. Smog. Dirty water. Poisoned soil. That is real, easy to see, and has an impact today. Right now. Kill the bacteria in the soil and you wont be eating any longer.

That's what the climate change movement is focused on.

No that is exactly NOT what the climate change people are focusing on. They are focusing on glaciers retreating, the arctic melting, sea levels rising, temperatures rising and so on.

And that message drowns out everything else that is actually happening such as pollution, over fishing, over-population, deforestation, bio diversity collapse etc. And this is why I hate the climate changers.

They are taking the focus away from what needs to be actually addressed AND by doing so, they are crying wolf. So when it turns out (and is accepted) climate change is all BS, people will never listen to environmentalists again about the problems I list above. That is the real danger IMHO.

[Winston001]

No that is exactly NOT what the climate change people are focusing on. They are focusing on glaciers retreating, the arctic melting, sea levels rising, temperatures rising and so on.

And that message drowns out everything else that is actually happening such as pollution, over fishing, over-population, deforestation, bio diversity collapse etc. And this is why I hate the climate changers.

I mostly agree with you.

If you examine the scientific articles warning of climate change, they do point to retreating icesheets, inexplicable death of bees, and acidification of the southern ocean etc. All of these events are traceable - at least in part - to human activities. Industrial society is adding poisons to the biosphere and that has cumulative effects.

Climate change policies such as a carbon tax are aimed at causing us to change our ways, to pollute less often, to cherish the environment. Anyone I know who is concerned about climate change acts on it as an impetus to change their lifestyle and reduce pollution.

But I do take your point Davo - the message is lost at the public level.