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  • muppet
    Banned
    • Sep 2003
    • 10593

    #1

    Apartment listed online with starting bid of $1

    Apartment listed online with starting bid of $1

    15.01.06 1.00pm
    By Nicholas Moody

    A $1 coin doesn't buy you much these days, but last week on TradeMe, it could have bought you an inner-city Auckland apartment.

    A couple of mates took a gamble on selling their friend's 28sq m unit in Rutland St - with a reserve of just $1.

    The 12th-floor apartment was advertised as being fully furnished, with a small balcony and views over the city, although it did not have a carpark.

    The seller, Porchea Persh, told the Herald on Sunday he was acting as a broker for a friend who owned the apartment and wanted to sell up so he could re-invest the money elsewhere.
    Bidding began strongly and by Thursday Mr Persh and a friend who was helping with the sale, Julian Ray, were confident of a good result.

    "It's proved a point that there's no need for real estate agents. The market is so powerful with online auctioning," said Mr Ray.

    The pair acknowledged they were taking a bit of a risk, but were confident they had devised a winning marketing ploy. "It's an interesting experiment. Once you put a price on something it limits the price but if you have a $1 reserve then the sky's the limit," said Mr Ray.

    The auction received over 11,000 hits before it closed on Friday afternoon. But the crafty marketing plan didn't quite come off.

    The pair had hoped the apartment would sell for up to $140,000, but the auction closed with a final price of $105,000. The successful buyer was listed only as "Frank" from Auckland.

    Mr Persh admitted he was disappointed with the result. "At the beginning it took off and I expected it to go up more, but obviously at the end people lost interest."

    He said the owner was "okay" with the sale, despite buying the apartment for $144,000 three years ago.

    Martin Dunn, who specialises in Auckland city apartment sales, said he would have expected the apartment to sell for between $110,000 and $120,000.

    But he warned that selling apartments without real estate agents was "extremely dangerous".

    "I think they are playing with fire. Selling an apartment is much more complex than selling suburban real estate," he said.

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  • xris
    Fanatical
    • Nov 2005
    • 3283

    #2
    I like these agent-bashing stories.

    The writer is so desperate to jump on the band-wagon of putting down agents, in this case by writing selectively, that he blatantly contradicts himself.



    Q"It's proved a point that there's no need for real estate agents. The market is so powerful with online auctioning," said Mr Ray.

    Q
    Mr Persh admitted he was disappointed with the result. "At the beginning it took off and I expected it to go up more, but obviously at the end people lost interest."

    He said the owner was "okay" with the sale, despite buying the apartment for $144,000 three years ago.

    Martin Dunn, who specialises in Auckland city apartment sales, said he would have expected the apartment to sell for between $110,000 and $120,000.




    The true message is not that private selling on the internet is easy and that there are no need for a real estate agent, but rather that these sellers have proven once again that the best way to undersell is to sell privately.

    xris

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    • CJ
      Fanatical
      • Oct 2003
      • 3570

      #3
      We will never know what Martin dunn would have got for it at auction (he has noted with surprise in the past how little some are going for) but assuming he did get $110k, after fees, it would have been better to use an agent.

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      • tricky
        Fanatical
        • Dec 2004
        • 1127

        #4
        I wonder how risky this really was.
        If the top bid prior to the close of auction was too low, then the vendor merely logs in as 'Frank' and makes the winning bid to himself.

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        • CJ
          Fanatical
          • Oct 2003
          • 3570

          #5
          Originally posted by tricky
          I wonder how risky this really was.
          If the top bid prior to the close of auction was too low, then the vendor merely logs in as 'Frank' and makes the winning bid to himself.
          Agree. And they would have been bidding it up all the way as well. How many real bidders were their.

          NO different from a real auction through

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          • xris
            Fanatical
            • Nov 2005
            • 3283

            #6
            Good points.

            I cannot comment on how the internet bidding system works because I simply do not know.

            However, there are clear rules about doing this at a real auction. The vendor can bid up to three times, and this should be clearly indidated as vendor bids by the auctioneer. The auctioneer cannot bid above the vendor's reserve, obviously, or the vendor will have to buy it and the auctioneer will be liable. Anybody else bidding above the reserve (and it must be clearly stated by the auctioneer when the reserve has been passed) is legally bound to buy at the fall of the hammer.

            So in this case, if this had been a 'real' auction, the vendor would have been legally bound to sell at any price above the reserve (even $1.00!)

            xris
            Last edited by xris; 16-01-2006, 09:38 AM.

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            • cube
              Thinking outside the square.
              • Jun 2005
              • 5076

              #7
              As witnessed by the TradeMe feedback, it is not uncommon for an auction that goes above reserve to no be completed for one reason and another. Although completed auctions are a legal contract, that doesn't prevent the two parties agreeing not to complete the process.

              In this case, if 'Frank' was the 'friend' that 'Porchea Persh' was acting on behalf of, they could simply agree not to complete, and that would be the end of it. You have to put up a pretty good case to TradeMe to avoid paying the success fee, though.

              cube
              DFTBA

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              • Lampton
                Freshie
                • Jan 2006
                • 15

                #8
                Trademe will have a hard time to track down non-payment. Because anyone can register on Trademe with an e-mail and not providing any contact details.

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                • mariner31
                  Freshie
                  • Jan 2005
                  • 91

                  #9
                  The true message is not that private selling on the internet is easy and that there are no need for a real estate agent, but rather that these sellers have proven once again that the best way to undersell is to sell privately.

                  xris
                  1. Its great for buyers to see people selling property for fair value exchange.
                  2. Its a pity that the seller didnt do a little homework first, as I get the
                  feeling a lot of people did know of the oversupply
                  3. Whats wrong with a little bit of agent bashing?
                  I have quite a few agents Id like to bash!

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