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  • muppet
    Banned
    • Sep 2003
    • 10593

    #1

    Trade Me wants all properties listed on its site

    Trade Me wants all properties listed on its site

    17.05.06
    By Anne Gibson

    Trade Me is aiming to list every house, flat, section, farm or property for sale in New Zealand.

    And after only a year of listing property, the online auction site has already grabbed a third of the market.

    Trade Me founder and general manager Sam Morgan said talks were being held with leading franchised real estate agencies after the website's success in signing up The Professionals and Ray White Real Estate.

    From today a third agency, the 105-office First National Real Estate, will list all its 4000 properties for sale on the website.

    Although First National will continue to market its properties through traditional channels, both parties view the deal as a move to draw more overseas buyers to New Zealand.

    And they see potential for expansion.

    First National chief executive Gary Mason said the agreement would help his business to attract overseas buyers.

    "Being on a site with a global profile fits well with our international referral programme by increasing the ability for offshore buyers to access our listings," he said.

    Morgan said having a large business like First National was a boost for his 1.2 million members and Trade Me expected to soon sign other large franchised agencies.

    "Harcourts, Remax, Bayleys, LJ Hooker and Barfoot's - we're trying to go for the larger ones and, ultimately, consumers will wonder why their properties are not on Trade Me," Morgan said. "There are between 50,000 and 60,000 properties on the market at any one time. We're listing up to about 20,000 properties so we have roughly a third of the market, but we want to get to 100 per cent."

    Agencies paid $50 to list a property, regardless of how long the property remained on the website.

    "In terms of value, it's clearly going to be so much cheaper than newspaper advertising and it has an impact on newspapers," Morgan said. However, he expected that exclusive properties would continue to draw large-format glossy print advertisements.

    Trade Me business manager Mike O'Donnell said he was talking to several agencies considering listing all their properties on the website.

    He found that somewhat ironic because a year ago some agents advised Trade Me against entering the sector.

    "Last year, we were told by incumbents we were wasting their time and no agencies would list all their properties with us because people saw us being above private sales."

    Trade Me made its initial foray into real estate advertising last winter. On June 16, it listed the first houses for sale and has now climbed to the top of the online sector. Research from Nielsen//NetRatings suggests Trade Me is the most popular site for house hunters and tenants.

    In March this year, Trade Me made a serious attempt to get more rental listings by striking a deal to download formatted listings from licensed property managers and posting thousands of flats and houses online.

    O'Donnell said then that the website had only 2000 rental property listings, most seeking flatmates.

    The licensed agencies would "auto-feed" the data, remotely supplying Trade Me with daily updates and providing great potential for new business.


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    * trademe.co.nz: 323,861
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    * realenz.co.nz: 104,472
    * open2view.com: 101,994
    * allrealestate.co.nz: 68,834

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  • sarahk
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    • Jun 2005
    • 679

    #2
    Well, duh! they would wouldn't they
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    • leapy
      Forum Junkie
      • Oct 2004
      • 283

      #3
      It's certainly an agressive business stance and their PR department is going great guns persuading Anne Gibson to write about them. Now if it was Brian Fallow instead at the Herald writing about them, I'd give it some more weight

      How big is their international profile? I ran a business in the US for several years, until recently. The customers for this business were largely American and European, and sourced solely from clients willing to range widely and internationally via the internet to find a rare product. Knowing I was planning a shift back to NZ at some future stage, I asked all customers for several months if they knew of TradeMe. I never got a single affirmative. (Of course there are all sorts of variables that come into play, so this can only ever be an anecdotal comment based on my experience, rather than any sort of indictment on the site itself.)
      Last edited by leapy; 17-05-2006, 11:01 AM.

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      • SuperDad
        Hamilton Event Organiser
        • Apr 2006
        • 4015

        #4
        Originally posted by sarahk
        Well, duh! they would wouldn't they
        Well, maybe, maybe not. TradeMe obviously wants to grow its business. However, taking the business from the newspapers would seem to damage its parent company, Fairfax. Unless, of course, TradeMe would generate extra revenue for Fairfax that would offset the loss in newspaper advertising revenue. Perhaps Fairfax/TradeMe are expecting more people to sign on to TradeMe if they advertise all properties, and that at least some of those new members will go on to use the general auction site? Or perhaps that they expect to damage their print competition by taking a major source of revenue away? Perhaps this is the impact Sam Morgan talks of below?

        "In terms of value, it's clearly going to be so much cheaper than newspaper advertising and it has an impact on newspapers," Morgan said.
        Last thought: cheaper for whom? RE agencies probably. Will they pass those savings on to vendors? (I feel a Tui beer add coming on....)Yea Right!

        Paul.

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        • leapy
          Forum Junkie
          • Oct 2004
          • 283

          #5
          At fifty bucks a hit for a listing on TradeMe, and dealing with a housebuying client base that is nowhere near 100% into using the internet, for now at this point in history it would appear to cost real estate agencies doubly to continue to use both the local papers, as well as this site.

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          • SuperDad
            Hamilton Event Organiser
            • Apr 2006
            • 4015

            #6
            Leapy,

            You're right - at this point in history it does look like RE agencies would be double listing. Here in Hamilton we still get the Ray White liftout. I was under the assumption that at some time in the future there would be a move to exclusive listing on TradeMe. But thinking about it a bit more, this would seem to require an almost 100% uptake of internet access in NZ. So perhaps I am wrong to think that RE agencies will reduce their costs?

            Paul.

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            • leapy
              Forum Junkie
              • Oct 2004
              • 283

              #7
              The competition is certainly on the real estate agency advertising dollar, apparently even to the point where businesses are using journalists as negotiating cudgels....

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              • drelly
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                • Jan 2004
                • 5838

                #8
                Yeah great... First National Whangarei listed all their properties online with POA... marvellous.

                And if we could separate the private sales that would be better.
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                • xris
                  Fanatical
                  • Nov 2005
                  • 3283

                  #9
                  Marketing on Trademe is merely another form of advertising a property used by many private vendors and RE Agents. It is no different from placing an ad. in the local newspaper. Obviously many agents now feel the potential return on the advertising dollar - that is, exposure to every buyer on Trademe - is worth the $50.00 charge.

                  I feel the term ‘listing’ is being used here in a misleading way. Listing usually refers to an agency agreement between a vendor and an agent.

                  People do not list on Trademe: they advertise on Trademe. Trademe is not a RE Agent.

                  xris

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                  • revdev
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                    • Jan 2005
                    • 1816

                    #10
                    Originally posted by drelly
                    And if we could separate the private sales that would be better.
                    With you on this one Dave!
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                    • sarahk
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                      • Jun 2005
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                      #11
                      Originally posted by SuperDad
                      Well, maybe, maybe not. TradeMe obviously wants to grow its business. However, taking the business from the newspapers would seem to damage its parent company, Fairfax.
                      I think newspaper advertising and online advertising are fairly separate and have different audiences (same people perhaps, but a different driver). The competition is RealEnz, the inhouse advertising and all the wannabes.
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                      • BusyLizzy
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                        • Apr 2005
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                        #12
                        Originally posted by sarahk
                        The competition is RealEnz, the inhouse advertising and all the wannabes.
                        I don't think I would consider RealEnz a competitive thread to TradeMe! At least not after the 'énhancements' made to their website a few months back.
                        Lisa

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                        • sarahk
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                          • Jun 2005
                          • 679

                          #13
                          Maybe not, but that's where TradeMe will be trying to win business from.
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                          • Aston
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                            • Jul 2005
                            • 1030

                            #14
                            muppet

                            ultimately, consumers will wonder why their properties are not on Trade Me," Morgan said. "There are between 50,000 and 60,000 properties on the market at any one time. We're listing up to about 20,000 properties so we have roughly a third of the market, but we want to get to 100 per cent."



                            If Trademe is able to get up to 100% of the market then vendors would be in fact be better to advertise their own property, with Trademe, themselves.

                            Most buyers are currently using Trademe to a certain extent now.
                            Last edited by muppet; 17-05-2006, 11:18 PM.

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                            • leapy
                              Forum Junkie
                              • Oct 2004
                              • 283

                              #15
                              Has TradeMe become the mesmirizing monster website that ate Aotearoa?

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