Theft of property by the NZ police.

[Viking]

"If it can be proved that any of the landlords did know what was happening in the houses, then police would look at taking proceed of crime action against them and seeking the forfeiture of the houses to the Crown."
A man and woman, both aged 29, and a 42-year-old man have been charged with cultivating cannabis and were due before Manukau District court on Friday.
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https://nz.news.yahoo.com/top-stories/a/33588504/cannabis-seized-from-million-dollar-auckland-homes/#page1

[Boom]

The onus would be on the Police to prove that the landlord knew their house was being used for supplying drugs and did not take reasonable steps to kick them out...

It's a bit similar to lending your 4WD and Boat to someone you know is going to be illegally catching paua/crayfish and selling it - Fisheries seize it.

[Anthonyacat]

An interesting view.

What if you know your tenants are involved in, say, the Mongrel Mob, and you know that the Mob is doing the various bad things, but don't have any evidence it's happening in your property - though of course it probably is.

Still guilty?

[Shalodge]

The more correct term is .. "... landlord knew OR OUGHT TO HAVE KNOWN that their house ...." It usually comes down to what a reasonable person would perceive. Deliberately not looking or not asking a question that it was reasonable to ask will not save you.

[cube]

Me: "Are you carrying out any illegal activities on the premises"
Mongrel Mob: "No"
Me: "OK"

[Shalodge]

And that is fine however if it went like this ...

Landlord goes to inspect property .. notices shed lined with foil, alarms, grow lights installed, and a hydroponic operation in process with green leafy plants growing. Asks tenant, "What's going on?" Tennant says , "Growing tomatoes .. I like tomatoes".

Not so fine...Deliberate ignorance is not a defence.

[Boom]

An interesting view.

What if you know your tenants are involved in, say, the Mongrel Mob, and you know that the Mob is doing the various bad things, but don't have any evidence it's happening in your property - though of course it probably is.

Still guilty?

If you have don't evidence, then its going to be hard for the Police to come up evidence that you knew.

I don't think there is anything to worry about it - if Police pursue that landlord it is probably because he/she has benefited financially from said growing operation - ie. given a cut.

[Transient]

what's wrong with growing tomatoes?

[flyernzl]

So if you rent a car
and then commit a an offence for which the penalty is the confiscation of the car
does the rental car company lose their car?

[Learning]

So if you rent a car
and then commit a an offence for which the penalty is the confiscation of the car
does the rental car company lose their car?

if the police believe the rental company knew it was going to be used for criminal activity.

Such as filling in the rental agreement like so...
Name: Feeffy Stealalot.
Occupation: Bank robber
Purpose of rental: Get away car.
Will the vehicle be used unlawfully: Yes

[Wayne]

Since when were million dollar houses in Auckland 'upmarket'?
I thought they were just average as in 'the average price of a house in Auckland is $1mil'

[sidinz]

Since when were million dollar houses in Auckland 'upmarket'?
I thought they were just average as in 'the average price of a house in Auckland is $1mil'

You're falling for the headlines. There's a big difference between 'the average price of a house in Auckland' and 'the price of an average house in Auckland.'

[Wayne]

You're falling for the headlines. There's a big difference between 'the average price of a house in Auckland' and 'the price of an average house in Auckland.'

No I'm not falling for them.
I'm, probably too subtly, trying to point out the incongruity of the headlines.
I probably need to use more words - brevity is one of my failings.

[flyernzl]

'Average' makes a good shock-horror headline.

'Median' is reality, rather boring really.

[Viking]

Drugs, guns and cash seized from Bay gang

5:58 PM Tuesday Dec 20, 2016


Money from Bay Head Hunters. Photo/Supplied
Bay police have seized $506,000 worth of methamphetamine, four firearms, including a loaded pistol, $128,000 in cash and found a house which had allegedly been converted into a cannabis growing operation as part of year long investigation targeting the Head Hunters.


The four would face a range of serious charges under the Misuse of Drugs Act in relation to dealing in the Class A controlled drug, methamphetamine, and charges in relation to commercial cannabis cultivation.
Police said they could not rule out further arrests being made in relation to this investigation.

So; do we think the landlord knew? Will he lose what is already a devalued house?

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/bay-of-plenty-times/news/article.cfm?c_id=1503343&objectid=11770523