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  • muppet
    Banned
    • Sep 2003
    • 10593

    #1

    Evaluating your property holdings

    Evaluating your property holdings

    By TONY BRAZIER - The Press Last updated 12:05 12/08/2009
    OPINION: Evaluating your property holdings means keeping tabs on what is happening around the country, not just crunching numbers.
    Analysing an investment property or portfolio is not always about just crunching numbers. Obviously this is part of it, and a part requiring the investor to either acquire the appropriate knowledge or pay someone else who has it.

    Although delving into how a particular property in your portfolio is doing is where we start, whole-portfolio analysis requires a broader approach, including investigation into the economy, percentage rates, migration statistics and demographics.
    Investors should ensure they are comparing apples with apples in their analysis (that is by suburb or property category).
    Much reported data is of a general nature and can differ greatly for specific areas or property types. It is also often historical and, in some instances, has taken three months to filter through. Therefore, decisions and sometimes valuations can be made on statistics that could be stale, depending on how quickly the market is changing.

    Let's start with the property.
    You can project forward what you think will happen over a particular period, then analyse your investment as though that had happened (this is called discounted cashflow analysis).
    To do this, an investor must take an educated guess at the likely consumer price index, capital growth, interest rates and expenditure needed during that time. In other words, you need to get educated before you can analyse anything.
    Over-reliance on formulae you don't fully understand is treacherous. If you use a spreadsheet, keep in mind the term "rubbish in, rubbish out" - if you put in bad data, you won't get a good result.
    To find out what's happening in the economy, join the weekly email list of your favourite bank's chief economist. Know what is happening in the interest rate market and general economy.
    The bankers will make broad comment on last month's median house prices and interest rate changes and give up-to-date migration figures as well.

    Keep an eye on the Government's website on demographics, population.govt.nz. This will help indicate whether a property type is likely to be full or empty in future, depending on which age group it suits and whether their numbers are fluctuating.
    Keep abreast of legislation changes affecting migration and particular sectors of the population. For example, bad press in a foreign student group's home country can dry up the flow of tenants from that area.

    Know the culture of the group you target and how that may influence their movements; for example, Chinese new year may delay the arrival of students.
    Know your building consent figures. In the past year they have halved, causing a buildup of demand that will show itself later this year.
    Watch for over-supply, such as when changes to housing-density rules in the mid-1990s encouraged developers to build while they could.

    At the same time, the government told us to do something smartly about our own retirement plans, so many people bought new townhouses. What the buyers didn't research were the demographics of the likely tenants, and tenant demand dropped like a stone. Lack of research into all of these aspects resulted in a flat market in the late 1990s.
    Plot your various properties on a risk versus profitability graph. Aim to have two properties earning cashflow for every one that is negatively geared.

    If you are heavily weighted on the risk axis, buy older, higher- yielding properties or sell one or two that are not covering themselves.
    Sometimes changing what you already have (for example, by renovating) is much more sensible than buying again to balance your portfolio.

    It pays to know how much spending money on insulation, heating, painting and carpeting will improve your return. This can be the easiest way to rebalance your portfolio from negatively geared to positively, especially when we are in a market where vendors are hard- nosed and buyers overly expectant.
    Finally, be careful of investing by a mantra.

    "You make your money on the day you buy," can cause you to only seek out vendors who are in trouble or properties that return way above average. We have seen too many investors find out the hard way why they got a bargain when it came time for them to sell the property.
    If no-one likes it but you, expect the same when you sell.

    "Buy on the low, sell on the high." Most people get this wrong and it stops investors from buying what they like because the market is perceived to be at the wrong timing.
    Analyse the market. Keep abreast of the economic, legislative, demographic, migration and housing supply information available. Decide on the type of property your portfolio needs to stay balanced and safe. When it comes up, buy it, regardless of the timing.
    Although all residential property can be rented, it doesn't always mean it is an ideal investment, and remember: "Time in is usually much better than timing."
    * Tony Brazier has worked in the property industry for 21 years and has two real-estate companies specialising in the sale and management of rental property. This column's information is of a general nature only, and readers should seek professional advice before acting on it.
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/pers...perty-holdings
  • orion
    Fanatical
    • Dec 2003
    • 1750

    #2
    What a load of waffle. I bet he doesn't invest himself. Theoretical crap.
    I think the guy that wrote this is probably broke, or going broke.

    Regards
    Graeme Fowler
    Facebook Property Chat Group NZ
    https://www.facebook.com/groups/340682962758216/

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    • ChundaMars
      Freshie
      • Feb 2007
      • 67

      #3
      Wow Graeme

      You just made a fool of yourself.

      Rather than start throwing around ridiculous accusations against people you don't know, why don't you say something useful. For instance, what about the article got so up your nose that you would slag off the writer?

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      • orion
        Fanatical
        • Dec 2003
        • 1750

        #4
        Hi ChundraMars,

        Well, it didn't really get up my nose (more than half way anyway), I just get so tired of reading all the mindless drivel on here about theory and what people think will happen - what prices will do, will they go up, will they go down - what will interest rates do, will they go, up, down stay the same, blah blah blah bullshit. This site used to be more about people's experiences and what they are aiming to do, goals, strategies etc etc rather than all this theory and hypothetical garbage. Nobody knows what will happen next year or the year after, and it doesn't matter, but people just don't ever seem to get it.
        The threads that are all hypothetical like the 24% increase over 3 years or whatever it is and similar threads seem to get so much attention and feedback with posts saying - what about this, what about that, I think this, I think that .... It's all just endless and meaningless drivel that doesn't help anyone.

        How about all these people saying (starting a thread) - here's what I've done in the last 12 - 18 months in property investing and this is what I learnt from it. I bought such and such and rented it for this much, works out to be a 'x' yield and this is my plan with it. My intention over the next 12 - 18 months is to do this .... My long term plan is to have 'x' amount of properties paying me 'x' amount each week and this will replace my current income (or whatever).

        I've been working for NZ Home Loans for the last 6 months part time just for something to do and it has been a bit of an eye-opener. Out of all the people I've seen (at least 40), I don't think there would be any that would have a net-worth of over half a million dollars and many of these are property investors, some with at least 10 properties. It's incredible to see what's really happenning out there, and the illusions that people portray.

        I used to really enjoy reading and posting on PT, but it's getting more and more into the theory and the what if's to make it worthwhile participating in.

        Regards
        Graeme Fowler
        Facebook Property Chat Group NZ
        https://www.facebook.com/groups/340682962758216/

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        • ChundaMars
          Freshie
          • Feb 2007
          • 67

          #5
          Now that's a better post Graeme, and I wholeheartedly agree with you. Surprised?

          First of all, let me back-track a little - the reason I took exception to your comments was because I know the writer of the column and I can assure you, he certainly is an investor himself and as far as I am aware, is in no danger of going broke.

          To also put it in perspective, that column is just one of a fortnightly series written for The Press here in Christchurch, so it shouldn't be read in isolation. Analysing your portfolio and thinking ahead with educated guesses is an important part of property investment, but certainly it is only a small part, and as this column was just one of many that is apparent if you read the whole series.

          But on to your post - I basically agree with much of what you have said below, and interestingly enough, if you read the column again I believe there is one quote that certainly relates to this:

          Originally posted by muppet View Post
          "Buy on the low, sell on the high." Most people get this wrong and it stops investors from buying what they like because the market is perceived to be at the wrong timing.
          Analyse the market. Keep abreast of the economic, legislative, demographic, migration and housing supply information available. Decide on the type of property your portfolio needs to stay balanced and safe. When it comes up, buy it, regardless of the timing.
          Although all residential property can be rented, it doesn't always mean it is an ideal investment, and remember: "Time in is usually much better than timing."
          What I have found (and probably you have noticed too) is that there are so many people out there who profess to have been "thinking about getting into property investment" for many years, and much of the time it is because they get so caught up in what the market is doing, when is a good time to buy, reading all the conflicting advice in the news etc. etc. that they never actually pull their finger out and do something.

          I've often had people say, "Oh, I first started thinking about it about 5 or 6 years ago" and of course the first thing that pops into my head is "Well, you could have bought anything 5 or 6 years ago and done well out of it, so why didn't you?"

          I'm with you Graeme - I much prefer reading other people's stories and experiences than all the back-and-forth slanging that goes on regarding what is effectively "crystal ball gazing".

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          • orion
            Fanatical
            • Dec 2003
            • 1750

            #6
            Hi ChundraMars,

            Yes, looking back it was a little harsh, I guess I took out all the built up frustrations on someone that didn't desreve it!

            Will reply later to your post, some very good points.

            Regards
            Graeme Fowler
            Facebook Property Chat Group NZ
            https://www.facebook.com/groups/340682962758216/

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            • orion
              Fanatical
              • Dec 2003
              • 1750

              #7
              When it comes up, buy it, regardless of the timing.
              Although all residential property can be rented, it doesn't always mean it is an ideal investment, and remember: "Time in is usually much better than timing."
              Hi ChandraMars,
              Yes, I do agree with what he says there.

              What I have found is that there are so many people out there who profess to have been "thinking about getting into property investment" for many years, and much of the time it is because they get so caught up in what the market is doing, when is a good time to buy, reading all the conflicting advice in the news etc. etc. that they never actually pull their finger out and do something.
              Very true.

              I'm with you Graeme - I much prefer reading other people's stories and experiences than all the back-and-forth slanging that goes on regarding what is effectively "crystal ball gazing".
              I've said this a few years back - take for example Kieran Trass who even writes books about all this hypothetical nonsense (I actually think he is a nice guy, just researching something that is absolutely pointless). We used to have discussions 4 or 5 years ago about this subject here. I would say - if you really really knew what was going to happen with prices, why would you not go and and buy as many properties as you could? And then the suburb by suburb projections is just beyond belief, how anybody would take an interest in this is incredible.
              The years between 2000 and 2007 were probably the biggest growth period in history. For me, it was listening to our own HB Property Investors' association when all the talk was about caution, selling to reduce debt or exposure, nobody was buying at all! That for me alone was enough to decide to buy as much as I could and so I bought 60 properties from then over the next 2 years.
              I went from almost zero to well over $5 million net worth in 5 years, unfortunately after a hospital experience in late 2005 and full of morphine and other drugs, the next 2 months after hospital ended up costing me about $1.5 million. Almost 4 years later, I'm well on the way back to where I was, but enjoying life a lot more too, which I think is the most important of all.

              To me, anytime in the last 9 or 10 years (or anytime before that for that matter) has been a good time to buy property - as long as you bought well, in a reasonable location, a yield of at least 8% and a loan of no longer than 25 years. The ups and downs of the market have no consequence or bearing on the investment at all. Most people's strategy however is 'buy and hope' (instead of buy and hold) and some even sell their rentals if they have the thought that prices will come down! I just cannot express how dumb that is to me. As long as the mortgage is getting paid off by the tenants, who cares about what it's worth!!?? And if prices do rise, they borrow more against them! The only times I have ever refinanced any properties was when I was doing wraps in order to put no money down effectively and when I needed $200,000 to set up Mr Rental (a franchise). Apart from that I have never refinanced any properties so that I could buy more. If I didn't have the deposits, I just wouldn't buy anything. Most people however keep refinancing on rising values and stay highly geared until they eventually get wiped out. I'm starting to get wound up again, so better stop there!

              Regards
              Graeme Fowler
              Facebook Property Chat Group NZ
              https://www.facebook.com/groups/340682962758216/

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              • ChundaMars
                Freshie
                • Feb 2007
                • 67

                #8
                Graeme, I don't think there's any need for me to add to what you have said

                Drakeward - not quite sure what the point of that post was?

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                • orion
                  Fanatical
                  • Dec 2003
                  • 1750

                  #9
                  Hi ChundraMars,

                  Sounds like Drakeward was the reincarnation of Badger, someone that was killed off earlier.

                  What do you think of the idea of what I suggested earlier (posted below), do you think there are many people actually doing anything? Or are most people just happy pontificating and speculating about many different subjects related to property investing - on what might or might not happen within the next 50 years, but not actually doing any investing?

                  How about all these people saying (starting a thread) - here's what I've done in the last 12 - 18 months in property investing and this is what I learnt from it. I bought such and such and rented it for this much, works out to be a 'x' yield and this is my plan with it. My intention over the next 12 - 18 months is to do this .... My long term plan is to have 'x' amount of properties paying me 'x' amount each week and this will replace my current income (or whatever).
                  Regards
                  Graeme Fowler
                  Facebook Property Chat Group NZ
                  https://www.facebook.com/groups/340682962758216/

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                  • ChundaMars
                    Freshie
                    • Feb 2007
                    • 67

                    #10
                    Hi Graeme,

                    Good point. I guess the thing for the average property investor is though, that there are long periods of doing not alot, interspersed with short periods of frenzied activity - so at any one time the majority of property investors are sitting on their hands. Nothing wrong with that of course, as we've seen over the past few years if you just keep on buying willy-nilly (refinancing to do so) then eventually you stretch yourself too thin, so periods of inactivity are probably advisable.

                    Combine that with all the conflicting messages coming out about the state of the market and it's no wonder that quite a few people who otherwise might be in a position of wanting to do something are also sitting on their hands "just to be safe".

                    The funny thing is, if everyone else is sitting on their hands, that's the perfect time to be doing something. As the great Warren Buffett says, "Be fearful when others are greedy. Be greedy when others are fearful."

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                    • Wayne
                      Fanatical
                      • Jun 2004
                      • 10899

                      #11
                      So what have you been up to ChundaMars?

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                      • ChundaMars
                        Freshie
                        • Feb 2007
                        • 67

                        #12
                        Ha ha, good question Wayne :-) Wish it were more but due to personal circumstances (change of career imminent, wife stopped working recently after birth of first child etc.) it would not be prudent for me to invest further at this time. Nothing to do with the property market, however!

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