Granny flat down stairs, parents are moving in....

[Leftette]

I don't think that's correct, Gary. By definition a Granny Flat would be occupied by members of the same extended family - just under one roof. No different to a house that has two kitchens because both partners love to cook. Or a house with 2-4 bathrooms. A new/2nd kitchen probably needs permitting anyway. The fact it's within a granny flat is neither here nor there. Fireproofing should not be required. Happy to be proven wrong.

[PTILoveYou]

I don't think that's correct, Gary. By definition a Granny Flat would be occupied by members of the same extended family - just under one roof. No different to a house that has two kitchens because both partners love to cook. Or a house with 2-4 bathrooms. A new/2nd kitchen probably needs permitting anyway. The fact it's within a granny flat is neither here nor there. Fireproofing should not be required. Happy to be proven wrong.

My brief understanding is that a granny flat should not have a kitchen, otherwise it's more like a minor dwelling.

Anyways I haven't done anything like that, but I have a friend who has done a legal conversion.

[John the builder]

Gary

2) yes, and fireproofing is required too

not if you are only providing for a granny (ie a member of the same family or household

3) YES

3. Permits & Consent?
not if work is able to be done under schedule 1 and a granny flat doesn't need a RC either

4) CCC will solve this issue

4. Will there be insurance issue's if the house is burned down caused by my parents downstairs?
please explain how a piece of paper stops a house burning down.

A minor dwelling is more than a granny flat and allows for a separate exclusive household so it needs all the amenities and fire and sound separation

[PTILoveYou]

Gary

not if you are only providing for a granny (ie a member of the same family or household

3. Permits & Consent?
not if work is able to be done under schedule 1 and a granny flat doesn't need a RC either


4. Will there be insurance issue's if the house is burned down caused by my parents downstairs?
please explain how a piece of paper stops a house burning down.

A minor dwelling is more than a granny flat and allows for a separate exclusive household so it needs all the amenities and fire and sound separation

Can a kitchen be legally installed in a granny flat?

[Leftette]

For 4, I think Gazza meant that having a CCC will be one less excuse that an insurance company could use against you as a reason why the claim is denied.

[Leftette]

AFAIK a kitchen needs a permit anywhere, granny flat or otherwise, b/c it requires waste water to be piped away.

[PTILoveYou]

For 4, I think Gazza meant that having a CCC will be one less excuse that an insurance company could use against you as a reason why the claim is denied.

If the fire was caused by the 2nd illegal kitchen, then insurance company won't payout.

What I mean with the CCC is if the 2nd kitchen is legal, then theoretically the insurance company should pay out (in the event of fire cause by this kitchen).

[Leftette]

yeah, that's what I said you meant.

[PTILoveYou]

I think if the downstairs area is like a garage or storage area, ie non-inhabitable area, then changing it illegally into a granny flat would result in insurance claims declined if the fire starts in the illegal granny flat.

[Leftette]

There's no such thing, technically, as an "illegal Granny flat". You can have a Granny flat. Or you can have a legal/illegal self-contained wing for letting to a stranger.

[PTILoveYou]

There's no such thing, technically, as an "illegal Granny flat". You can have a Granny flat. Or you can have a legal/illegal self-contained wing for letting to a stranger.

Where did the word "granny" came from? Having your granny live in a lesser desirable place of the house is kind of bad...

[Leftette]

Indeed. But she's not staying anywhere even remotely within earshot of my bedroom.

[elguapo]

My brief understanding is that a granny flat should not have a kitchen, otherwise it's more like a minor dwelling.

Anyways I haven't done anything like that, but I have a friend who has done a legal conversion.

I don't believe there is such a thing as a granny flat.

You either have a separate living area that includes kitchen bathroom etc. that is still part of the single household unit, or you can have a flat that is a separate household unit with the required inter-tenancy walls/compliance etc.

The former one just needs compliance with the requirements of the building code for the component parts i.e. additional sink, etc.

[John the builder]

lawfully yes if you can demonstrate that you are not establishing a minor dwelling intended to be used by separate exclusive households.

You can have a kitchen in every room of your houise if you like and more than one is becoming even more common as ethnic groups and/or mixed religion families share a dwelling but need distinctly different cooking requirements.

Can an insurance expert please advise;

Is the issue not multiple kitchens but rather unlawful non compliant installations that directly cause a fire (due to shonky wiring or overload) and this is what triggers insurance concern but only if the installation causes the fire?

[Davo36]

You can have a kitchen in every room of your houise if you like

This can't be right. I've had conversations with the council where they've told me you can only have 2 kitchens and if you want to subdivide further, you need to remove one kitchen.