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  • mals69
    Forum Junkie
    • Apr 2006
    • 367

    #1

    poor son to ?

    I hope the following demonstrates a number of things to anyone contemplating entering into investment property.
    In 1989 I purchased my first home a 2 bedroom 2 storey townhouse for $55 000 on a $10 000 deposit,the deposit acquired by hard work and sacrifice of a nice car and clothes etc.I continued to work as an electrician went to aussie for a year in 91 and then to Holland for 3 months in 95 with the plan to do the big O.E being based in England after Holland,my big O.E experience was a police escort back onto the boat to return to Holland - my crime was i said mistakenly i would be working at least 40 hours per week while living in England.
    I soon returned to gods own at the age of 25 and this is when things started to "cook with gas"
    I got a job with Otis the elevator company they were a great bunch of people but the whole concept of working for someone had not jelled with me for years,I reflected on what i had learnt in economics studies at school that if you want to retire from working for wages you have to build a net not fish with a pole as i was doing as a wage earner,could i use the pole to get the net i contemplated.
    The block of 6 i invested in the other landlords did not want to spend any decent money for increased capital gains and rents,one of the flats had a burnt orange roof while the other 5 had a modern tan look 7.2 meters up in the air because one landlord did not want to chip in the $250 for the roof paint and stain,another and i were the working bee,to get out of this investment that had lots of potential but was going know where fast i had two choices selling mine with little capital gain for six or so years of investment or I'd have a go at acquiring the block i chose the latter maybe i could kill two birds with one stone and retire from it at some stage,lady luck would have to be on my side if she was not maybe she would be kind enough to allow me to be the majority in the could be improved body corperate,i purchased number 6 at auction for my 2 week prior offer of $72 000 number 5 was for $78 000 directly to a landlord,she was ecstatic on the phone i thought it was a low offer.
    I was keen to acquire the front unit to have more control for perspective tenants coming along and seeing a nice cut lawn etc,i purchased it for $82 000.
    A year went by for number 3 my pitch was "Wayne $82 000 dollars you will be able to buy yourself a clubsport ? The reply "Ive had one for 18 months" he sold it to me i think he saw a little of himself a few years back being young an hungry,a kool cat that was also the other grafter at the working bee.
    One to go and I had a feeling with the last landlord there would be a duel of some sort and maybe not a deal this time around.I rung her $85 000 was my offer a generous one at that with regards to the better presented #1,she said to me she would sell it to me for that price if they sold another unit in the weekend they had across town,monday lunch time from work i rung her, she said "malcolm we did not sell the other unit that we were going to combine with the sale of the unit you want to buy an apartment in Sydney to be close to our daughter but you can have it for $89 000" I pondered over a cup of tea and thought im not going to let the whole deal fall over for the sake of $4000.
    The last deal was done and i was free,i have not worked work for seven years in a compulsory role.There's my story i hope it shows the little time wealth can be created in,I have a conservative 1 mill in equity and will be freehold in 12 years and it has all come to being faster than i could have dreamed of.

    As a wise old Scottish real estate agent said to me "Get in that river and swim with the fish" that's the main thing.

    If anyone has any investments questions I may be able to help ?
    Last edited by mals69; 16-06-2006, 06:26 PM.

  • FatBelly
    Opinionated
    • Dec 2005
    • 240

    #2
    Malcolm, great story, thanks for sharing it on Ptalk!

    Im a little confused thou as to how you did this? Maybe I read something wrong here - but how did you come back from overseas and buy all other units in the block and then retire from being an employee so quickly?

    Did you manage to bring back a lump of cash saved from overseas and buy these with only a little finance? Or were the cashflows good enough to allow you to cease work straight away?

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    • mals69
      Forum Junkie
      • Apr 2006
      • 367

      #3
      Thank you

      What really helped me was I had a lot of equity in my first home to act as deposits for the first couple of investment rentals and a year later these were valued at $102 000 to $105 000 to act as deposits for the remaining.Bar one I was also buying wholesale and I had a good wage plus a flatmate that lowered my overheads and made Mr Westpac happy to lend me the borrowing.Once i acquired the whole block I removed the carpet tiles most places had,i carpeted painted built raised gardens etc and had good rent increases, i fixed for 5 years at a good rate,the combination of these factors allowed enough cashflow to live on.

      Are you an investor Fatbelly ?

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      • FatBelly
        Opinionated
        • Dec 2005
        • 240

        #4
        Ok - I interpreted your post to read that you came back form overseas and made the steps to purchase the remianing units in a fairly short timeframe. Can see your steps more clearly now.

        Thats great that these places have worked for you to allow you not to be an employee so quickly.

        Yes I am in investor, much like yourself.

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        • drelly
          Fanatical
          • Jan 2004
          • 5838

          #5
          Hey Malcolm,

          Always good to hear others' stories! Much appreciated.

          So what are you planning to do now?

          cheers,
          Dave.
          You can find me at: Energise Web Design

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          • mals69
            Forum Junkie
            • Apr 2006
            • 367

            #6
            Cheers

            I'm holding for more capital gain and I'm also an importer.What about yourself Drelly ?

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            • SuperDad
              Hamilton Event Organiser
              • Apr 2006
              • 4015

              #7
              Hi Malcolm,

              A great post - thanks for your story. And well done - its stories like yours that get newbies like me realising that good money can be made from property if one is prepared to work hard for the deals, and understand that property is a long-term investment

              Did I understand your situation correctly - it sounds like you own a block of 6 2-storey town houses? Are you planning to buy more property, or will you be sitting back, counting down the 12 years, and enjoying your lifestyle in the meantime?

              Before you ask: I'm almost an investor (I'll know on Tuesday), and one of my (many) plans is to do much as you have done - buy properties adjacent to my first property, for control purposes.

              Best regards,

              Paul.

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              • mals69
                Forum Junkie
                • Apr 2006
                • 367

                #8
                Thank you Paul for your kind words

                Yes you on the money 6 x 2 2 storey townhouses in a block.

                If the last 8 years is anything to go by ill probably be cruising for the 12 years,I also like dabbling in other forms of business when i have the desire that are relatively passive like importing when i want to boast cash flows to do another property improvement or buy a new toy.

                You go for it Paul,if i was starting fresh today i would go for a small warehouse office property (that is suited to a variety of businesses) where the numbers stack up good - well last time i looked.


                Malcolm
                Last edited by mals69; 17-06-2006, 11:28 PM.

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                • MJL
                  Freshie
                  • Jun 2006
                  • 4

                  #9
                  I am not a new investor having been around for 4 yrs or more. From what you say I take it you are all young investors from Auckland?

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                  • SuperDad
                    Hamilton Event Organiser
                    • Apr 2006
                    • 4015

                    #10
                    Hi MJL,

                    I'm from Hamilton, and I'm youngish, with three children under 6. My eldest made an interesting observation yesterday as we were driving: he said that "Dad has given up fishing and now he likes houses". That's not quite true, but it does reflect my activities of the past couple of weeks.

                    Malcolm - it sounds like your hard work has paid off, insofar as you are able to do as you please. As a newbie, I won't be looking at commercial yet for finance reasons (i.e., requires too big a deposit). But once I have more equity, I'll look into it.

                    Paul.

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                    • whitt
                      Fanatical
                      • Jun 2005
                      • 3922

                      #11
                      Originally posted by MJL
                      I am not a new investor having been around for 4 yrs or more. From what you say I take it you are all young investors from Auckland?
                      Propertytalk has numerous active members who contribute regularly. While it is true some are from Auckland given the population of this country odds are 1/3 of the forum will most likely be Akl. Some here are relatively new to investing also ( This cycle only since 2001) but very motivational. However if you become frequent here you will soon learn the background of others and very quickly improve your knowledge.

                      P.S I started investing in '98. Having held property in NZ and OZ.
                      Last edited by whitt; 18-06-2006, 11:46 AM.

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                      • mals69
                        Forum Junkie
                        • Apr 2006
                        • 367

                        #12
                        MLF I live in Christchurch and am 36 years of age.

                        Paul I thought maybe you had enough equity in your home for low entry commercial,always good to cut your teeth on residential though.
                        Just the state of affairs here in Christchurch at the moment is a $200 000 residential rental will not return the $400 to service the borrowing but the same $200 000 investment in low entry commercial could.
                        The double edged sword - residential investment for capital gains and commercial for cashflow,into days market I'd be going for the the low entry commercial if possible where there is still capital gain more cash flow and less overheads to allow for more investment quicker.

                        So are you buying into your block on Tuesday Paul ? What ever you are investing in all the best,the main thing is you will be "Swimming with the Fish".

                        Malcolm
                        Last edited by mals69; 18-06-2006, 12:07 PM.

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                        • SuperDad
                          Hamilton Event Organiser
                          • Apr 2006
                          • 4015

                          #13
                          Hi Malcolm,

                          I have a house under contract at the moment, which goes unconditional on Tuesday. Details can be found on the following thread:


                          Strictly speaking, we might have enough equity to go for commercial, but I want to keep borrowings against our own home to a minimum. We also think it will be good to cut our teeth on residential.

                          Finally, I don't mind swimming with the fish, as long as I don't end up "sleeping with the fishes". Tenant selection should help with this.

                          Paul.

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                          • mals69
                            Forum Junkie
                            • Apr 2006
                            • 367

                            #14
                            Hi Paul, You look to have done your homework excellent.
                            Good point you raised about tenant selection where your work will either stop or start - follow your gut and do your own checks with baycorp etc."Happy days" for tuesday Paul.


                            Malcolm
                            Last edited by mals69; 18-06-2006, 12:50 PM.

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