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  • SuperDad
    Hamilton Event Organiser
    • Apr 2006
    • 4015

    #1

    My First Deal - Yippee!!!

    Hi All,

    Finally - I get to join the ranks of those who have made a "my first deal" posting. Sit back and enjoy. (This long posting is dedicated to revdev)

    On Saturday I rang my agent to ask her to show me through a property I had seen listed - 990m2 section, house towards front, good area of Hamilton. So of course I thought: subdivision possibility. We met around there to find - a PYLON in the back yard. Never mind, next deal. While we were standing around my car commenting on how the photo on RealEnz didn't do justice to the pylon, my agent remembered a deal that was about to come on - 8 bed house, rented for $680pw (let per room). I said "show me the money", and off we went. So here we are, in the dark, staring over the fence of the property. Looks good, I thought. Especially because there's no Agency sign on the fence yet. (At the end of this post, you'll see how fresh the deal was.)

    Next day I went around, knocked on the door, and got the tenants to show me through. Looked good, so after a bit of DD I put an offer in last night. As soon as my agent told the listing agent a deal was coming in, he got a deal on the table. Multi-party, but I didn't mind. I also offered asking price. Again, I didn't mind. Why?

    Because I will be getting a 12% gross, and 12.4% net yield in year one. Here are the numbers:

    Purchase price: $299000
    Current rent $680
    Current occupancy rate: 90%

    I will spend up to $20K on new carpets, repainting rooms, replacing two windows, perhaps installing quality gas heating (will keep power outgoings down), and a smoke detection system (not mandatory, but so that I can sleep at night).

    Rents have already been creeping up for that property - there are two tenants ready to get in at $100pw, in its current state. I will get it to a better standard, raise the expectations, and let it at $100 per room +$120 for largest room.

    The revised figures are:

    Purchase price: $299000
    Renos: $20000
    Occupancy rate: 90%
    Annual rent $38376 (takes into account 90% occupancy) Gross yield (against $319K borrowed) = 12%
    Pre-tax positive cashflow = $35 per week, projected to climb to $160pw in year 10.

    In obtaining these figures, I have met with the current management agency, who forecast no problem letting the improved property at this rate. They also project occupancy rates close to or just over 95% - I'm being conservative in my figures and sticking with historical rates.

    Costs (annual):
    Interest: $22743 (IO, 7.75%)
    Rates: $1500 PA
    Insurance: $450 (have quote from my fire broker)
    Maintenance $2700
    Management fees: $3200
    Utilities (incl. phone + sky): $4000 (I have phoned Genesis and confirmed last 12 months power and gas usage on property)

    I won't go into the depreciation figures here, except to say I have probably been a bit light on the chattels depreciation side. The house has been sold furnished - fridge, dishwasher, washing machine, 6 beds, desks, table, chairs, TV, vacuum, cutlery, dinnerware, microwave...

    Anyway, to cut a long story short (which I'm loathe to do), the figures stacked up nicely on an offer at asking price. I didn't want to risk someone else getting in for $500 less, so I made sure my price would be the best price. The offer went in last night, and I received verbal confirmation it had been accepted this morning, including all of my conditions (including finance and a long solicitor's approval clause). I went in to finalise the contract this afternoon, and after the vendor and I had signed the important bits, the "listing" agent whisked away the vendor so that he could sign the listing agreement! The deal was so fresh it hadn't even been listed. The deal goes unconditional next Tuesday.

    So I'm happy with my first deal. I've been asking myself: "How did I land this?" Well, in my case it came down to two things. 1. Building a relationship with the agent I am working with. (I've talked about this on another thread.) 2. Acting very quickly once I was passed the deal.

    If you've managed to make it this far (hi revdev ), thanks for indulging me. I'm feeling pretty good about my first deal - its nice to be able to share this with others who enjoy property.

    Finally, and MOST IMPORTANTLY, I'd like to thank everyone who has taken the time and energy to answer the many questions I have had on this forum to date, and to all of those who have posted on other threads, the information on which has allowed me to get to this stage. And Donna, a special thanks to you for creating and hosting such a valuable site.

    Paul.
    Last edited by SuperDad; 13-06-2006, 10:21 PM.
  • waiopehu24
    Opinionated
    • Oct 2005
    • 216

    #2
    Wow, congratulations Paul, sounds like a good deal.
    Im glad to see that the relationship you have with your agent proved successful.
    I would like to know what factors make this relationship successful so that I can improve the relationship with my agents.
    You did it!
    Unbelieveable!

    Sean.
    Persistence (per-sis'tans, -zis'-) n. 1 The act of persist-
    ing. 2 The quality of being persistent 3 The continuance
    of an effect longer than the cause that first produced it.

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    • Monid
      Philophaster
      • Feb 2004
      • 3062

      #3
      Hi Paul

      Fantastic, well done!

      The first of many one hopes

      David
      New to property investing? See: Best PropertyTalk Threads for New and Old Investors And/Or:Propertytalk Wiki

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      • tricky
        Fanatical
        • Dec 2004
        • 1127

        #4
        Well done Paul.
        The first of many, no doubt.
        Just remember us when you get rich and famous!
        tricky

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        • wenlee
          Freshie
          • Jul 2005
          • 81

          #5
          Congratulations Paul

          You contribute a lot to this forum and now its paid off

          Now for number 2
          Keep up the good work

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          • Monkeyboy
            CHCH Event Organiser
            • Jul 2005
            • 735

            #6
            Well Done Paul

            Your journey has taken its next step and what a great step it is. I have enjoyed your commentaries on the forums and look forward to hearing about the progress. You deserve to start off with a great deal as you have put the effort into getting this far. Go forth and mutiply. I am having coffee with a couple of forumites this week and we will raise our coffee cups to your success i'm sure.
            [email protected]

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            • clark
              Freshie
              • Apr 2005
              • 95

              #7
              Hi Paul

              Well done on your purchase I wish you all the best on this very exciting adventure you are about to take. The figures look really good.

              Kind Regards
              Trish Clark
              Trish Clark

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              • Parky
                Freshie
                • May 2006
                • 28

                #8
                Congratulations Paul,

                I am pleased for you to see that you have tied up your first deal. You deserve the rewards you shall gain in the future. You, along with Robyn and Dean have been a great help since I joined PT a few weeks back.
                As someone else said, you contribute a fair bit to this forum and for that you go to the front of the class.

                Good luck and hope to see you after my trip to the UK.

                Well done.

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                • revdev
                  Fanatical
                  • Jan 2005
                  • 1816

                  #9
                  Originally posted by SuperDad
                  If you've managed to make it this far (hi revdev ), thanks for indulging me.
                  You bet I did Paul!...in fact I read it twice

                  That is fantastic news and I'm totally chuffed for you.

                  It's plain to see for all of us, how much time, effort, research and thought you are putting into this...and now you can add action to it also.

                  Go and join your wife in a bottle of champers!

                  G

                  (ps) In fishing parlance, is this a 10 pounder?
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                  • Volatile
                    Opinionated
                    • Apr 2006
                    • 231

                    #10
                    Well done Paul!

                    The numbers do look very good!

                    Who is financing it for you and what are the terms? 100%? P&I?


                    Cheers
                    James
                    James

                    "Time is the great equalizer. It will either promote or expose you." -Jeff Olson

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                    • SuperDad
                      Hamilton Event Organiser
                      • Apr 2006
                      • 4015

                      #11
                      Hi everyone,

                      I'm overwhelmed by your kindness. A few of you have asked questions, so I'll answer those here.

                      Sean, you wrote:
                      Originally posted by waiopehu
                      Im glad to see that the relationship you have with your agent proved successful.
                      I would like to know what factors make this relationship successful so that I can improve the relationship with my agents.
                      You did it!
                      Unbelieveable!
                      I met my agent through my local property investors association, on my first night there. The speaker was a chap from Tenancy Services, who was explaining their new services. A women asked a curly question, and I (of course) thought "I like her style". Afterwards, I introduced myself to her, and found that she was a RE agent. I got her card, and called her a couple of days later. We met (I can't remember why now), and the more I got to know her the more I thought "This is someone I want to work with". She is around my age, and has a similar personality, so I find it very easy to communicate with her.

                      I let her know that if I saw any places I liked, I'd let her know, and she could show me. Also, I let her know that when I drop in on open homes unplanned, I explain to the agent present who I am working with, and I leave her name and number. (That way, should I buy the place, my agent gets her share.) I have done this to build loyalty with my agent (that is, to let her know that I am loyal to her, so hopefully she will become loyal to me). Now that I have signed up on a deal, she also knows that I am not a tyre-kicker.

                      My theory, as I explained on another thread, is that I want to build a solid relationship with a single agent. This is just the way I like to work. And remember, its only a theory - I'm just starting out. This approach can work well in a place like Hamilton, where an agent can introduce a buyer to a property listed with another agency and get a good commission. Also, I figure that one good agent will be able to bring me more deals than I can act on, which is plenty enough for me.

                      Trish, you wrote:

                      Originally posted by clark
                      The figures look really good.
                      Yes, they do. Thank you for supplying me with the info on the boarding house outgoings. The figures you supplied me with are much higher, per head, than the property I am looking at. That is why I phoned Genesis, to confirm the power and gas charges for the property. I have added an extra $500PA onto the figure they provided, as a safety margin. I'm going to keep a close eye on these outgoings in the first year.

                      Revdev, you wrote:

                      Originally posted by revdev
                      Go and join your wife in a bottle of champers!
                      (ps) In fishing parlance, is this a 10 pounder?
                      Cheers! I had a sip of bubbly last night - Lindauer, not champers, as I'm too cheap to shell out for the good stuff, and too much of a heathen to appreciate it.

                      Funny you should mention the fishing - I used exactly that analogy last night when doing a post-match analysis of the deal with my wife. I see a 10% gross yield as being a magical figure in property, just as a 10 pound trout is a trophy fish. So I compared the deal to catching a 12 pound trout, after having gone fishing a few times without catching anything (cf. offers rejected). Fishing is never far from my mind!

                      James, you wrote:

                      Originally posted by volatile
                      Who is financing it for you and what are the terms? 100%? P&I?
                      Yes, I'm on 100% finance, on IO. I'm borrowing 10% of the purchase price against my own home. This money, in a revolving credit facility, will be used as the deposit to get the other 90% from a different bank. that way, I'll avoid cross-collateralisation. After I've drawn the deposit money down, I'll still have a very healthy LVR on my own home (around 55%). I expect that this will be the first and last time I'll need to draw against equity in my own home to finance a property. I'm on IO as I want to keep my cashflow, and serviceability, as high as possible. I'm trying to position myself so that I can trade like mad during the next recovery and boom phases.

                      Again, thanks everyone for your kindness.

                      Very best,

                      Paul.

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                      • GO DO IT
                        Opinionated
                        • Aug 2005
                        • 107

                        #12
                        Congratulations

                        Awesome Paul,

                        The numbers sound good. Is the property close to the university?

                        Great to get a deal before everyone else has a look.

                        Well done!

                        Regards

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                        • Josko
                          Fanatical
                          • Dec 2004
                          • 2075

                          #13
                          Congratulations SuperDad,

                          Couple of questions, what was the vendor motivation behind the sale, will you be managing the property yourself.

                          10+ excellent returns.

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                          • Kay
                            Freshie
                            • Apr 2005
                            • 85

                            #14
                            Congratulations. A really impressive purchase, especially for a first-timer. You really did your groundwork thoroughly, and you will go far and fast, I'm sure. I look forward to many more interesting posts from you.
                            Regards,
                            Kay

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                            • muppet
                              Banned
                              • Sep 2003
                              • 10593

                              #15
                              Great stuff, Paul.

                              The first step is always the hardest partly because you wonder whether you are doing the right thing.

                              Regards

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