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  • muppet
    Banned
    • Sep 2003
    • 10593

    #1

    Power Negotiating......Learn to Flinch

    Hi Guys

    Found this very interesting excerpt from a recently published book I found on another forum. Happy reading.

    Power Negotiating... Learn to Flinch!
    by Roger Dawson


    Want to Get More at the Bargaining Table? Learn to Flinch at Proposalsby
    Roger Dawson

    Power Negotiators know that you should always flinch-react with shock and surprise at the other side's proposals.
    Let's say that you are in a resort area and stop to watch one of those charcoal sketch artists. He doesn't have the price posted, and he has the shill sitting on the stool. You ask him how much he charges, and he tells you $15. If that doesn't appear to shock you, his next words will be, "And $5 extra for color." If you still don't appear shocked, he will say, "And we have these shipping cartons here, you'll need one of these too."
    Perhaps you are married to someone who would never flinch like that because it's beneath his or her dignity. My first wife was like that. We would walk into a store, and she would say to the clerk, "How much is the coat?"
    The clerk would respond, "$2,000."
    My wife would say, "That's not bad!" I would be having a heart attack in the background.
    I know it sounds dumb and I know it sounds ridiculous, but the truth of the matter is that when people make a proposal to you, they are watching for your reaction. They may not think for a moment that you'll go along with their request. They've just thrown it out to see what your reaction will be. For example:
    o You sell computers and the buyer asks you to include an extended warranty.
    o You're buying a car and the dealer offers you only a few hundred dollars for your trade-in.
    o You sell contractor supplies and the buyer asks you to deliver it to the job site at no extra charge.
    o You're selling your house and the buyer wants to move in two weeks before the transaction closes.
    In each of these situations, the other side may not have thought for a moment that you would go along with the request, but if you don't flinch, he or she will automatically think, "Maybe I will get them to go along with that. I didn't think they would, but I think I'll be a tough negotiator and see how far I can get them to go.
    It's very interesting to observe a negotiation when you know what both sides are thinking. Wouldn't that be fascinating for you? Wouldn't you love to know what's going on in the other person's mind when you're negotiating with her? When I conduct the one or two day Secrets of Power Negotiating seminars, we break up into groups and do some negotiating to practice the principles that I teach. I create a workshop and customize it to the industry in which the participants are involved. If they are medical equipment salespeople, they may find themselves negotiating the sale of laser surgery equipment to a hospital. If they are owners of print shops, the workshop may involve the acquisition of a smaller printing company in an outlying town.
    I break the audience up into buyers, sellers, and referees. The referees are in a very interesting position because they have been in on the planning sessions of both the buyers and the sellers. They know each side's negotiating range. They know what the opening offer is going to be, and they know how far each side will go. So the sellers of the printing company would go as low as $700,000, but they may start as high as $2 million. The buyers may start at $400,000, but they're prepared to go to $1.5 million if they have to. So the negotiating range is $400,000 to $2 million, but the acceptance range is $700,000 to $1.5 million. The acceptance range embraces the price levels at which the buyers' and the sellers' negotiating ranges overlap. If they do overlap and there is an acceptance range, it's almost certain that the final price to which they agree will fall within this range. If the top of the buyers' negotiating range is lower than the bottom of the sellers' negotiating range, then one or both sides will have to compromise their objectives.
    The negotiation starts with each side trying to get the other side to put their offer on the table first. After a while someone has to break the ice, so the sellers may suggest the $2 million (which is the top of their negotiating range). They believe $2 million is ridiculously high, and they barely have the nerve to propose it. They think they're going to be laughed out of the room the minute they do. However, to their surprise, the buyers don't appear to be that shocked. The sellers expect the buyers to say, "You want us to do what? You must be out of your minds." What they actually respond with is much milder, perhaps, "We don't think we'd be prepared to go that high." In an instant, the negotiation changes. A moment ago, the $2 million had seemed to be an impossible goal. Now the sellers are thinking that perhaps they're not as far apart as they thought they were. Now they're thinking, "Let's hang in. Let's be tough negotiators. Maybe we will get this much."
    Flinching is critical because most people believe more what they see than what they hear. The visual overrides the auditory in most people. It's safe for you to assume that at least 70 percent of the people with whom you negotiate will be visuals. What they see is more important than what they hear. I'm sure you've been exposed to some neuro-linguistic programming. You know that people are either visual, auditory or kinesthetic (what they feel is paramount). There are a few gustatory (taste) and olfactory (smell) people around, but not many and they're usually chefs or perfume blenders.
    If you'd like to know what you are, close your eyes for ten seconds and think of the house in which you lived when you were ten years old. You probably saw the house in your mind, so you're a visual. Perhaps you didn't get a good visual picture, but you heard what was going on, perhaps trains passing by or children playing. That means you're auditory. Auditories tend to be very auditory. Neil Berman is a psychotherapist friend of mine in Santa Fe, New Mexico. He can remember every conversation he's ever had with a patient, but if he meets them in the supermarket, he doesn't remember them. The minute they say good morning to him, he thinks, "Oh yes that's the bi-polar personality with anti-social tendencies." The third possibility is that you didn't so much see the house or hear what was going on, but you just got a feeling for what it was like when you were ten. That makes you a kinesthetic.
    Assume that people are visual unless you have something else to go on. Assume that what they see has more impact than what they hear. That's why it's so important to respond with a flinch to a proposal from the other side.

    Don't dismiss flinching as childish or too theatrical until you'd had a chance to see how effective it can be. It's so effective that it usually surprises my students when they first use it. A woman told me that she flinched when selecting a bottle of wine in one of Boston's finest restaurants and the wine steward immediately dropped the price by five dollars. A man told me that a simple flinch caused the salesperson to take $2,000 of the price of a Corvette.
    A speaker friend of mine attended my seminar in Orange County, California, and decided to see if he could use it to get his speaking fees up. At the time he was just getting started and was charging $1,500. He went to a company and proposed that they hire him to do some in house training. The training director said, "We might be interested in having you work for us, but the most we can pay you is $1,500."
    In the past he would have said, "That's what I charge." But now he gasped in surprise and said, "$1,500? I couldn't afford to do it for just $1,500."
    The training director frowned thoughtfully. "Well," he said, "the most we've ever offered any speaker is $2,500, so that's the very best we can do." That meant $1,000 in additional bottom line profit dollars per speech to my friend and it took him only 15 seconds to do. Not bad pay.

    Key points to remember:
    o Flinch in reaction to a proposal from the other side. They may not expect to get what they're asking for, but if you don't show surprise you're communicating that it's a possibility.
    o A concession often follows a flinch. If you don't flinch, it makes the other person a tougher negotiator.
    o Assume that the other person is a visual unless you have something else on which to go.
    o Even if you're not face to face with the other person you should still gasp in shock and surprise. Telephone flinches can be very effective also.

    This article is excerpted in part from Roger Dawson's new book-Secrets of Power Negotiating, published by Career Press.

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    Regards
  • Marc
    Strong Fences make Good Neighbours
    • Jul 2003
    • 3853

    #2
    Wow! Thanks for posting this muppet!!

    Best Regards

    Marc
    Free business resources - www.BusinessBlogsHub.com

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    • wada
      Opinionated
      • Nov 2003
      • 158

      #3
      I've been doing this negoitation method for years now, but with little success.

      For example the wife wants to go XMAS shopping... I flinch and gasp and do I 'react'... wife ignores me and drives off into the sunset.

      I may have to do a telephone flinch!!!

      Merry XMAS all.

      Wada

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      • Marcus
        Fanatical
        • Jun 2005
        • 1453

        #4
        That particular "flinch" preceeds the uncontolable convulsions you get when her Visa bill turns up in the mail.

        Merry Christmas.

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        • RodC
          Freshie
          • Sep 2003
          • 84

          #5
          muppet, Great post thanks.

          How do you keep finding this stuff?

          Rod.

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          • jules
            Freshie
            • Sep 2003
            • 6

            #6
            Thanks Muppet

            another useful snippet.

            You are definitely a valuable asset to the forum.


            Jules

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            • muppet
              Banned
              • Sep 2003
              • 10593

              #7
              Hi Guys

              Another excerpt from the same source.

              Happy reading.

              When Negotiating...Ask For More!
              by Roger Dawson

              Ask for More Than You Expect to Get
              by
              Roger Dawson
              One of the cardinal rules of Power Negotiating is that you should ask the other side for more than you expect to get. Henry Kissinger went so far as to say, "Effectiveness at the conference table depends upon overstating one's demands." Think of some reasons why you should do this:
              o Why should you ask the store for a bigger discount than you think you have a chance of getting?
              o Why should you ask your boss for an executive suite although you think you'll be lucky to get a private office?
              o If you're applying for a job, why should you ask for more money and benefits than you think they'll give you?
              o If you're dissatisfied with a meal in a restaurant, why should you ask the captain to cancel the entire bill, even though you think they will take off only the charge for the offending item?

              If you're a salesperson:
              o Why, if you are convinced that the buyer wants to spread the business around, should you still ask for it all?
              o Why should you ask for full list price even if you know it's higher than the buyer is paying now?
              o Why should you ask the other person to invest in the top of the line even when you're convinced they're so budget conscious that they'll never spend that much?
              o Why should you assume that they'd want to buy your extended service warranty even though you know they've never done that in the past?

              If you thought about this, you probably came up with a few good reasons to ask for more than you expect to get. The obvious answer is that it gives you some negotiating room. If you're selling, you can always come down, but you can never go up on price. If you're buying, you can always go up, but you can never come down. What you should be asking for is your MPP-your maximum plausible position. This is the most that you can ask for and still have the other side see some plausibility in your position.


              The less you know about the other side, the higher your initial position should be, for two reasons:
              1. You may be off in your assumptions. If you don't know the other person or his needs well, he may be willing to pay more than you think. If he's selling, he may be willing to take far less than you think.
              2. If this is a new relationship, you will appear much more cooperative if you're able to make larger concessions. The better you know the other person and his needs, the more you can modify your position. Conversely, if the other side doesn't know you, their initial demands may be more outrageous.


              If you're asking for far more than your maximum plausible position, imply some flexibility. If your initial position seems outrageous to the other person and your attitude is "take it or leave it," you may not even get the negotiations started. The other person's response may simply be, "Then we don't have anything to talk about." You can get away with an outrageous opening position if you imply some flexibility.
              If you're buying real estate directly from the seller, you might say, "I realize that you're asking $200,000 for the property and based on everything you know that may seem like a fair price to you. So perhaps you know something that I don't know, but based on all the research that I've done, it seems to me that we should be talking something closer to $160,000." At that the seller may be thinking, "That's ridiculous. I'll never sell it for that, but he does seem to be sincere, so what do I have to lose if I spend some time negotiating with him, just to see how high I can get him to go?"
              If you're a salesperson you might say to the buyer, "We may be able to modify this position once we know your needs more precisely, but based on what we know so far about the quantities you'd be ordering, the quality of the packaging and not needing just-in-time inventory, our best price would be in the region of $2.25 per widget." At that the other person will probably be thinking, "That's outrageous, but there does seem to be some flexibility there, so I think I'll invest some time negotiating with her and see how low I can get her to go."


              Unless you're already an experienced negotiator, here's the problem you will have with this. Your real MPP is probably much higher than you think it is. We all fear being ridiculed by the other. So, we're all reluctant to take a position that will cause the other person to laugh at us or put us down. Because of this intimidation, you will probably feel like modifying your MPP to the point where you're asking for less than the maximum amount that the other person would think is plausible.
              Another reason for asking for more than you expect to get will be obvious to you if you're a positive thinker: You might just get it. You don't know how the universe is aligned that day. Perhaps your patron saint is leaning over a cloud looking down at you and thinking, "Wow, look at that nice person. She's been working so hard for so long now, let's just give her a break." So you might just get what you ask for and the only way you'll find out is to ask for it.
              In addition, asking for more than you expect to get increases the perceived value of what you are offering. If you're applying for a job and asking for more money than you expect to get, you implant in the personnel director's mind the thought that you are worth that much. If you're selling a car and asking for more than you expect to get, it positions the buyer into believing that the car is worth more.


              Another advantage of asking for more than you expect to get is that it prevents the negotiation from deadlocking. Take a look at the Persian Gulf War. What were we asking Saddam Hussein to do? (Perhaps asking is not exactly the right word.) President George Bush, in his state of the Union address used a beautiful piece of alliteration, probably written by Peggy Noonan, to describe our opening negotiating position. He said, "I'm not bragging, I'm not bluffing and I'm not bullying. There are three things this man has to do. He has to get out of Kuwait. He has to restore the legitimate government of Kuwait (don't do what the Soviets did in Afghanistan and install a puppet government). And he has to make reparations for the damage that he's done." That was a very clear and precise opening negotiating position. The problem was that this was also our bottom line. It was also the least for which we were prepared to settle. No wonder the situation deadlocked. It had to deadlock because we didn't give Saddam Hussein room to have a win.
              If we'd have said, "Okay. We want you and all your cronies exiled. We want a non-Arab neutral government installed in Baghdad. We want United Nations supervision of the removal of all military equipment. In addition, we want you out of Kuwait, the legitimate Kuwaiti government restored and reparation for the damages that you did." Then we could have gotten what we wanted and still given Saddam Hussein a win.
              I know what you're thinking. You're thinking, "Roger, Saddam Hussein was not on my Christmas card list last year. He's not the kind of guy I want to give a win to." I agree with that. However, it creates a problem in negotiation. It creates deadlocks.
              From the Persian Gulf scenario, you could draw one of two conclusions. The first (and this is what Ross Perot might say) is that our State Department negotiators are complete, blithering idiots. What's the second possibility? Right. That this was a situation where we wanted to create a deadlock, because it served our purpose. We had absolutely no intention of settling for just the three things that George Bush demanded in his state of the Union address. General Schwarzkopf in his biography It Doesn't Take a Hero said, "The minute we got there, we understood that anything less than a military victory was a defeat for the United States." We couldn't let Saddam Hussein pull 600,000 troops back across the border, leaving us wondering when he would choose to do it again. We had to have a reason to go in and take care of him militarily.


              So, that was a situation where it served our purpose to create a deadlock. What concerns me is that when you're involved in a negotiation, you are inadvertently creating deadlocks, because you don't have the courage to ask for more than you expect to get.


              A final reason-and it's the reason Power Negotiators say that you should ask for more than you expect to get-is that it's the only way you can create a climate where the other person feels that he or she won. If you go in with your best offer up front, there's no way that you can negotiate with the other side and leave them feeling that they won.
              o These are the inexperienced negotiators always wanting to start with their best offer.
              o This is the job applicant who is thinking, "This is a tight job market and if I ask for too much money, they won't even consider me."
              o This is the person who's selling a house or a car and thinking, "If I ask too much, they'll just laugh at me."
              o This is the salesperson who is saying to her sales manager, "I'm going out on this big proposal today, and I know that it's going to be competitive. I know that they're getting bids from people all over town. Let me cut the price up front or we won't stand a chance of getting the order."


              Power Negotiators know the value of asking for more than you expect to get. It's the only way that you can create a climate in which the other side feels that he or she won.

              Let's recap the five reasons for asking for more than you expect to get:
              1. You might just get it.
              2. It gives you some negotiating room.
              3. It raises the perceived value of what you're offering.
              4. It prevents the negotiation from deadlocking.
              5. It creates a climate in which the other side feels that he or she won.

              In highly publicized negotiations, such as when the football players or airline pilots go on strike, the initial demands that both sides make are absolutely outlandish. I remember being involved in a union negotiation where the initial demands were unbelievably outrageous. The union's demand was to triple the employees' wages. The company's opening was to make it an open shop-in other words, a voluntary union that would effectively destroy the union's power at that location. Power Negotiators know that the initial demands in these types of negotiations are always extreme, however, so they don't let it bother them.
              Power Negotiators know that as the negotiations progress, they will work their way toward the middle where they will find a solution that both sides can accept. Then they can both call a press conference and announce that they won in the negotiations.


              An attorney friend of mine, John Broadfoot from Amarillo, Texas, tested this theory for me. He was representing a buyer of a piece of real estate, and even though he had a good deal worked out, he thought, "I'll see how Roger's rule of 'Asking for More Than You Expect to Get,' works." So, he dreamt up 23 paragraphs of requests to make of the seller. Some of them were absolutely ridiculous. He felt sure that at least half of them would be thrown out right away. To his amazement, he found that the seller of the property took strong objection to only one of the sentences in one of the paragraphs.
              Even then John, as I had taught him, didn't give in right away. He held out for a couple of days before he finally and reluctantly conceded. Although he had given away only one sentence in 23 paragraphs of requests, the seller still felt that he had won in the negotiation. So always leave some room to let the other person have a win. Power Negotiators always ask for more than they expect to get.

              This article is excerpted in part from Roger Dawson's new book-Secrets of Power Negotiating, published by Career Press.

              Infosoir.com - Là où les voix s'unissent, les histoires s'épanouissent et la communauté prospère grâce à un dialogue ouvert et à des liens significatifs.


              Regards

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              • Nu_Gen
                Freshie
                • Sep 2003
                • 4

                #8
                Muppet

                Great articles! I might pass it to my RE agent selling my house. If they are not being fed this info they should.

                Nu Gen

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                • GoGirl
                  Freshie
                  • Nov 2003
                  • 23

                  #9
                  Great stuff thanks, I will use it and pass it on to my salesperson partner.

                  HOWEVER the sexist stuff ( Which may be true ) but never the less still annoys me about your wives.....
                  I am THE WIFE and I am the financial HANDbrake not the other way round thank you very much.
                  Still despite this guys nudge nudge wink wink at my hubby and joke about the perils of letting me have a cheque book!
                  Bastards!
                  They all deserve the high maintenance gals they chose to saddle themselves with.
                  I make my hubby money. When I go shopping it's for IPs to provide us with passive income.

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                  • Scarface
                    Opinionated
                    • Apr 2005
                    • 133

                    #10
                    Great Read.
                    Thanks Grandad.
                    If I have seen further than others,
                    it is because I have stood on the shoulder of giants. Isaac Newton

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