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**Gatekeeper** · 10-08-2008, 11:08 PM

Excellent, probably the best that I've seen.
It's quite hard to get all the relationships lined up in simple terms.
Looking forward to #17.

I've never heard of this guy before, so cheers.

**drelly** · 11-08-2008, 10:41 AM

I agree, that's an extremely good presentation. I only meant to have a quick look but couldn't tear myself away. His explanation of historic inflation rates over the last 300+ years was fascinating.

It made me think about the "Hock yourself up to the eyeballs, buy property and then down-sell in 10 years" advice. It's valid (if risky) in a continuing inflationary environment but what happens when the current money paradigm changes? Is inflation going to last long enough for us to benefit before the monetary system has to change - as I think it must.

I've never seen the point in the idea of a gold-standard as a measure of value for modern currency but the concept of it as a limiter of inflation seems extremely useful given what has happened over the last 30 years or so.

I'll be really interested in what conclusions he makes and what, if any, advice he has to offer for us as individuals.

**Steve Netwriter** · 11-08-2008, 10:59 AM

I'm glad you couldn't tear yourself away

That's exactly what happened to me.

Two things:

1. Register, so you can get access to the ACT section. There you will find some useful advice. It's not huge, but worth the minimal effort.

2. Listen to the 2x audio interviews in the right panel.

It took me quite a while to create all those screenshots. I did it because I wanted to try my best to entice people into at least starting to look.
I tried to capture the essence of each chapter.

Hopefully your comments will encourage more to give it a go

**drelly** · 11-08-2008, 11:11 AM

Have registered and listening to the first interview now - the presenters seem a bit stunned.

**Steve Netwriter** · 11-08-2008, 04:28 PM

This two part interview with Chris Martenson is extremely interesting.
It expands on the current videos, but also goes into Peak Oil, and gives quite a clue into what the last 4 videos are going to cover.

Chris interviewed on Corporate Watchdog Radio (12/04/2008 ):

Page not found |

http://www.chrismartenson.com/chris-interviewed-corporate-watchdog-radio

Information you can't afford to live without

Starts at 06:30
Download: http://homepage.mac.com/sanfordlewis...2008-04-09.mp3

Chris on Corporate Watchdog Radio - PART II (16/04/2008 ):

Page not found |

http://www.chrismartenson.com/chris-corporate-watchdog-radio-part-ii

Information you can't afford to live without

Starts at 10:00
Download: http://homepage.mac.com/sanfordlewis...2008-04-16.mp3

**Badger** · 11-08-2008, 10:40 PM

Nice selection of articles there Steve

To bad it will be lumped in the conspiracy theory basket

Unfortunatly for the uniformed "consumer" majority it is quite true information

Naturally common sense pointed this out to myself many years ago whilst I was on the park bench one afternoon...

**Steve Netwriter** · 11-08-2008, 10:47 PM

I've only watched them once so far. I think I ought to watch at least once more.

For some reason I do not understand there seems to be a great resistance to looking at things like that. Despite the fact they are quite simple, easy to watch, and logical.

You'd think people (everyone) would want to understand things like why oil has gone up in price.
Why so many families now have both parents working, and yet still they don't feel rich.
You'd think people would want to understand bubbles, especially now.

Maybe the best ting for anyone not really wanting to watch the vids is to listen to the first audio. Maybe that will get you interested.

**Badger** · 12-08-2008, 01:32 AM

Cognitive dissonant

Where probably out of time unfortunatly

The current game "the prisoners dilema" may not have much more to go

The Numbers indicate where pobably heading into the "war of attrition" game a nice global affair benefiting the same group who bought you "total fiat currancy + interest of coarse...

**Davo36** · 12-08-2008, 08:15 AM

Crikey.

Well at least the original post on this thread was easy to understand. Badger, take note, this is how to post on something you believe others should know about.

I watched the first 14 chapters yesterday. I got up this morning and thought to myself "Instead of watching chapter 15, Why am I bothering? What does this guy say to do about all of this? What is the point?" So I clicked on chapter 20, Conclusion 1. And of course it's not there... yes that was stated at the beginning.

So whilst I spent around 2 hours yesterday learning all about how 'the next 20 years will be very different from the previous 20' I have no idea what to do about it.

I have also been reading a book over the last few days on critical thinking. It's also an American thing. The current chapter is about our constant state of fear. This is instilled in Western societies by the media etc. This stops us from taking risks and clouds our thinking, our judgement etc. That is the real danger. We're so conflicted and confused by all the fear based messages we're constantly receiving that we can't do anything.

When will these chapters by Chris Martenson be filled in? Never I expect. This sort of stuff is only ever about the fear, and never about what can practically be done to help one's situation.

Steve, if ever he does do the rest, let us know. Until then it's basically a waste of time isn't it? All it does is instill us with unease with no way out.

David

**drelly** · 12-08-2008, 08:45 AM

Davo36,

I do see your point and I too would like more in the way of commentary on what he sees happening in the near and not so near future. If you register, you can access pages under the "ACT" link where he does talk about personal finances and purchasing gold and silver to protect against inflation, so there is some significant advice on what he thinks individuals should do.

Check out the news reports on the right side of the page. He doesn't just copy them from other sources but also adds his own analysis.

**tricky** · 12-08-2008, 09:47 AM

Originally posted by Davo36 View Post

I watched the first 14 chapters yesterday. I got up this morning and thought to myself "Instead of watching chapter 15, Why am I bothering? What does this guy say to do about all of this? What is the point?" So I clicked on chapter 20, Conclusion 1. And of course it's not there... yes that was stated at the beginning......<snipped>....

So whilst I spent around 2 hours yesterday learning all about how 'the next 20 years will be very different from the previous 20' I have no idea what to do about it.When will these chapters by Chris Martenson be filled in? Never I expect. This sort of stuff is only ever about the fear, and never about what can practically be done to help one's situation.

Steve, if ever he does do the rest, let us know. Until then it's basically a waste of time isn't it? All it does is instill us with unease with no way out.

David

Well said, David.
It's all froth and basically "So what?".
I have noticed that these doomers are very good fact gathers.
Exceptionally good and they use the internet avidly.
Only, having assembled all the details, there's no action possible.
Tpr2 (Terry) has offered to check out all these videos - let's wait for his verdict.
The big question to the value of this package is 'What will you do differently today?"
If the answer is 'nothing' then, what would you conclude?

**Steve Netwriter** · 12-08-2008, 11:21 AM

Originally posted by Davo36 View Post

Crikey.
So whilst I spent around 2 hours yesterday learning all about how 'the next 20 years will be very different from the previous 20' I have no idea what to do about it.

Steve, if ever he does do the rest, let us know. Until then it's basically a waste of time isn't it? All it does is instill us with unease with no way out.
David

I cannot help that much with your first point I'm afraid. If you register, you get access to the ACT area, which does have 'some' information. But I accept it is mainly US related, and is limited to finance.

I am looking into this, and hope that I can report back with more information.

I believe Chris has been working his way through these vids. They are based on presentations he gives. Last time I was alerted to his website I didn't have time to check them out, and since then he's done two more. So I think he will finish them (I certainly hope so), and I will let you know when he adds one. I should get an email to tell me

**Steve Netwriter** · 12-08-2008, 11:25 AM

Originally posted by tricky View Post

Well said, David.
Tpr2 (Terry) has offered to check out all these videos - let's wait for his verdict.

Does that mean you have not looked at them ?

**tricky** · 12-08-2008, 01:15 PM

Correct.
I've spent too many hours in the past following all these 'you must read this...' and 'what they don't want you to know...' links.
All froth and no substance.
So I refrain from leaping in and after reading Davo36's comments it would seem I made the right decision.
By all means, keep tracking it and report back if there's anything useful for a property investor to know.
What would be nice is a one page summary of new facts or ideas instead of 20 links to 20 videos.

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