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    Quote Originally Posted by xris View Post
    On that subject, one of the most annoying things when you attend a seminar of any sort, is when the speaker hasn't had the nous to prepare the tools beforehand - people at the back can't read the displays
    Ah the joys of powerpoint. I refuse to use it in anything but its most basic capacity, it is just an accident waiting to happen. Also people fall in love with it and do the bells and whistle presentation which just makes it harder to get info across. And it is so hard to get students to not just read their talk straight off the bullet points on the power points. (It is also impossible in my neck of the woods to get them to talk in anything like the Queens english, "what I done next" was a very common sentence during their presentations...)

    As I believe lord Acton said:
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    Power corrupts, and PowerPoint corrupts absolutely
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    Quote Originally Posted by xris View Post

    (on the subject of teaching, a question to the world: which of my last 20 words have I just enjoyed using the most and why? Excluding my own name of course)
    TEA - cos I reckon it's time for a cup
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    With this current crisis the concept of education becomes vital. I think Property Talk does a great service to people if they are prepared to spent the time reading many of the threads as it provides unbiased information on what indeed people should be looking for when determing who to follow and why. There is a truck load of information on this site.

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    And the price is hard-to-beat, too.
    With all the Draconian new laws for residential rental LLs, perhaps AirBnB would be better? To avoid any hassle in Hawke's Bay, consult Be My Hostess. Want a great looking concrete swimming pool in Hawke's Bay? Designer Pools will do the job for you!

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    I think Property Talk does a great service to people if they are prepared to spent the time reading many of the threads as it provides unbiased information on what indeed people should be looking for when determing who to follow and why.
    I agree and I think as an industry resource PropertyTalk has the lowest influence from people who are essentially present to create exposure for their own business......spruikers and the like.

    The daily feedback from PropertyTalk members is a great Bellweather of the market, other networking forums (ie seminars, associations etc) are often not so transparent and not so open to scrutiny. Even with the Property Investor Associations there is a core element of members who attend for the business networking opportunities. Obtaining transparent market feedback from these people can be difficult while they have got their 'xyz' mortgage broker, real estate agent, property finder or mentors hat on. I have spoken to key industry people at different times that have indicated their caution towards the changing market conditions. Their own investing position may be guarded and with an intention to be out of the market for the next couple of years (as an example). However, get a potential client in front of them and the sales line becomes 'anytime is a good time to buy'. What a load of rubbish, what they practice for their own investing is very different to what they preach to clients or potential clients.

    I have always found that forum discussion on PropertyTalk provides for a very accurate weather report of the industry. As Summer came to an end recently, the 'take action and bank the results brigade' also disappeared. quickly.

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    I think a key critera for an educator in this field is that they can't be both educating and selling property. This is a conflict of interest that leds to manipulative behaviour and I think any form of emotive selling beyond education should be a clear sign that something is not right. The facilitation of property selling in any form and education should not mix.

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    WARNING SIGNS TO WATCH OUT FOR:

    I wish I could take credit for this but this post was written by Weasal Driver in response to another thread. There are so many gems in here for people to watch for it is perhaps all one needs to read to spot real education from just spruking. Enjoy:
    "This is the classic guru stuff.....promise untold riches, fire and brimstone and a path to the promised land. The disciples and the desperate will show up. "Free" always helps.

    Get them in a room and manage the atmosphere so that you prey upon their weaknesses or most basic needs.

    Then parade them past the hard sell and credit card machines and tip them into the next course. Then stay on them like glue till the legally defined credit card recission period expires. This is a very set play.

    We have found the problem for the student is that they actually get sold process, not profit. Its the free "dime bag" model designed to hook a kid in the school yard to a life of addiction. The modified "Puppy Dog sale."

    The problem with free events for the real estate education promoter is that they lowest common demographic denominator with little ability to buy more than a book or a CD. And possibly that is all they will sell but at least they will be over-priced and profitable.

    Real estate investment is about buying the house not the book. A true friend/mentor who knows what they are doing can take a new investor under their wing and help then learn the ins and outs of their first investment in exchange for a few hours worth of work. Maybe even offer a partnership on a couple of deals, but put those hard earned dollars in a property purchase not a leap of faith in some over priced education program that is , potentially plagiarized from a couple of $30 books by real experts".
    Last edited by Perry; 18-11-2008 at 07:46 AM.

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    Real estate investment is about buying the house not the book. A true friend/mentor who knows what they are doing can take a new investor under their wing and help then learn the ins and outs of their first investment in exchange for a few hours worth of work. Maybe even offer a partnership on a couple of deals, but put those hard earned dollars in a property purchase not a leap of faith in some over priced education program that is , potentially plagiarized from a couple of $30 books by real experts".
    hmmmmm strangely enough thats what my mentoring service offers. And its a performance based service, in other words if you don't make money I don't make money.

    Also strangely enough perhaps I don't make extravagant enough claims because I'm not run off my feet with it....lol.
    Last edited by Perry; 18-11-2008 at 07:45 AM.

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    Yes, I was wondering about Veronica's post too.
    I agree with Cube that a good teacher can probably teach anything providing they have some knowledge. Sometimes those who have been around for a long time forget what it was like to be starting out, so I think we need teachers with all ranges of experiences. Eg., I've had a real experienced skier trying to teach me to ski with disasterous results - they were a great skier, but couldn't teach.
    As a newbie on PT I am overwhelmed by the advice and knowledge available., and grateful to those who stoop to answer my basic questions. As learners, I guess we can pick and choose our teachers.

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    and the reality is PT is probably the best source you will find because the contributors come from all sorts of different backgrounds and experiences.

    After 20 years of investing in property, 12 years as a mortgage broker, 9 years as a financial planner and 8 years as a real estate licensee (all of them still current as well) I have learnt many new things here on PT.

    It's a shame it wasn't here 20 years ago I might have made way fewer mistakes.


 

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