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    Are rent subsidies included in this big government payout?

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    If banks come through with the mortgage holidays or payments freeze, I think landlords should pass that on as rental discounts or deferred payments.

    No one is getting out of this unscathed, but some are going to be much more affected than others - due to no fault of their own.
    Those in more fortunate positions can try to at least share the burden. I've let my property manager know I'm happy to consider reductions for genuine cases.


    edit: looks like 6 month mortgage holiday if your income is affected - does a tenant not being able to pay rent count as affected income?

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/a...ectid=12319507
    Last edited by Dens; 24-03-2020 at 03:59 PM.

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    Default Any commercial landlords giving their tenant a rent holiday during lockdown??

    Mine has requested that - he's had a severe drop in business since Feb.

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    It is under handed sneaky how the Guvmnt has tacked on no 90 day notice "without reason".
    Rent freeze maybe - but the 90 day nonsense is despicable.
    Trying to set the precedent I suspect.
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    Default Reality Check

    Perhaps it's time to take a breath, step back, and assess certain seemingly-less-than-obvious aspects to all this.

    The government is doing something that only a government can do and needs to do. No complaint about that.

    The government has no money that it first does not take from citizens - or borrows. Borrowing costs will be borne by those same citizens, anyway.

    Banks may give concessions like interest-only periods, deferred re-payment plans and so on. The banks will not be trimming anything off loan principal amounts or giving some sort of cashback-for-nothing to borrowers. The banks want their due, in full, even if if it will come to them later than planned.

    The IRD may give concessions, like waiving late payment / filing fees and interest accruals. Possibly even deferring provisional tax payments and so on. But the IRD wants its due taxes, in full, even if they come later than usual.

    Councils may - just may - give concessions, like waiving late Rates payment penalty fees and curbing non-essential expenditure. But Councils want their full Rates income, even if it does come to them later than usual.

    As I've observed before, sharing the pain / burden (of the Corona Virus crisis) needs to be borne equally, across all sections of NZ society. Those at the 'top of the heap,' especially. (MPs, please take note.)

    If not, the consequences could be, ahhhh, unfortunate.

    Do show some sympathy for your tenants, as appropriate. But document it as a personal loan. Perhaps even with some security? (You can always write it off, later.)

    Why should PIs (vilified-by-FarGonBoy-and-his-socio-commie-colleagues) be the ones disproportionately carrying the crisis costs?

    I don't plan to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dens View Post
    If banks come through with the mortgage holidays or payments freeze, I think landlords should pass that on as rental discounts or deferred payments.

    No one is getting out of this unscathed, but some are going to be much more affected than others - due to no fault of their own.
    Those in more fortunate positions can try to at least share the burden. I've let my property manager know I'm happy to consider reductions for genuine cases.


    edit: looks like 6 month mortgage holiday if your income is affected - does a tenant not being able to pay rent count as affected income?

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/a...ectid=12319507
    A mortgage holiday is not a true holiday .
    It is an additional loan that accrues interest from day one .
    Hence if the landlord passed this on the tenant would have to pay rent plus interest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Merlot Mike View Post
    That's interesting. Anyhow I do believe that he is having a rough time - I was thinking about giving him 50% off for the four week duration. Any feedback is appreciated.
    Tell them the rent is still due but I would, at no cost to the tenant, assist them to receive the recently announced government assistance.
    Any payments that we make is taken from our savings that we carefully put away for a "rainy day" .
    If you run a business that fails in the first bad month (with government assistance) then perhaps you should not be in business.
    At the moment the landlords are disproportionately carrying the burden as no assistance has been given to them.
    Last edited by Beano; 24-03-2020 at 07:14 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beano View Post
    A mortgage holiday is not a true holiday .
    It is an additional loan that accrues interest from day one .
    Hence if the landlord passed this on the tenant would have to pay rent plus interest.
    Full details not released yet so we donít know exactly how it will be implemented.
    Currently principal and interest pause. Whether thatís deferred or a complete freeze, not sure. Extraordinary times.

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    Hello Merlot Mike

    He operates a commercial kitchen for hire.... Is there a possibility that food preparation may be considered an essential service and that he could still operate?
    It appears from tonight's announcement that cooked food will not be allowed, so the kitchen operation will not be permitted.

    Link: https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/hea...uring-lockdown

    Therefore the tenant cannot access the premises, so that Clauses 27.5 and 27.6 come into effect (if it is a later ADSL Lease), and the tenant does not have to pay for the period during which he has no access - currently 4 weeks, according to the Government.

    At present, I am calculating how much I have to refund to my tenants, as they pay at the beginning of the month, and I have to refund 6 days of this month's rent and outgoings to each of them (from 26 to 31 March). I don't expect many will pay next month's rent, but if they do, then I will have to refund 22 days of rent to them, until the end of the Alert Level 4 period (if it's not extended).

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    That's interesting, I wonder how to interpret this: "a fair proportion of rent and outgoings shall cease to be payable"? How would one calculate that?


 

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