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    Quote Originally Posted by mrsaneperson View Post
    This is a virus that affects seriously only those with a compromised immune system and/or the elderly...if you are reasonably healthy and fit you have nothing to worry about .
    Agree with the post from Learning, and to specifically address the above specific point please read this: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/h...-a9451101.html

    Maybe less to worry about, but not nothing

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    Quote Originally Posted by Learning View Post
    There are hundreds of cases of teens to 40s, fit and healthy, dying.
    I presume there's a reason that you did not provide the references to support that assertion?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mrsaneperson View Post
    The fallout from the lockdown is yet to be felt as most are sitting comfortably at home enjoying their government wage subsidy.
    A debt the gummint has incurred, but one which will have to be paid back by those very people who are "sitting comfortably at home enjoying their government wage."

    A debt incurred "for the people" to be repaid "by the people."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Perry View Post
    I presume there's a reason that you did not provide the references to support that assertion?
    Besides the dozens of health care workers dying worldwide which could be argued as high exposure-dose, I didn't want to list dozens of news pages. But here's an easy 3 from the UK...
    https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2020/04/uk-boy-13-dies-coronavirus-family-close-200401071545416.html
    https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/25/uk-woman-21-with-no-health-issues-dies-from-covid-19-family-say
    https://www.dailyecho.co.uk/news/18380189.amp/

    From the US here...
    https://www.advisory.com/daily-brief...d-young-people
    "Acording to an analysis of state data by the Washington Post, at least 759 people under the age of 50 in the United States had died from Covid-19 as of Wednesday. The Post identified at least 45 deaths among patients in their 20s, at least 190 deaths among patients in their 30s, and at least 413 deaths among patients in their 40s. The Post noted that the actual number of Covid-19 deaths among people younger than 50 is likely higher, as not all states report Covid-19 deaths by age."

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    Why are some healthy, young people dying of Covid-19?
    Health experts aren't sure why some otherwise healthy, young people are suddenly dying of Covid-19, but they do have some theories...."
    Last edited by Learning; 16-04-2020 at 05:32 PM. Reason: Added more detail

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    Except the "people" paying it back probably wont be the same "people" the gummint in helping - https://i.stuff.co.nz/business/12101...they-look-like. Yes this is all speculation but I do notice that most of these proposed taxes would fall on traditionally non-Labour voters whereas the bulk of the assistance is targeted at lower income workers - not saying wrongly, just an observation

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    Quote Originally Posted by Learning View Post
    "According to an analysis of state data by the Washington Post, at least 759 people under the age of 50 in the United States had died from Covid-19 as of Wednesday. The Post identified at least 45 deaths among patients in their 20s, at least 190 deaths among patients in their 30s, and at least 413 deaths among patients in their 40s. The Post noted that the actual number of Covid-19 deaths among people younger than 50 is likely higher, as not all states report Covid-19 deaths by age."
    Right. Not in NZ - first.

    Second - as a percentage of the population?

    Supposedly, the USA death toll is over 20,000. Using the 20k figure, that means the lower age bracket you refer to as dying from the virus is between 3 and 4%.

    In the absence of background data, the expression "hundreds" can be a bit alarming.

    Lots more (cheek-by-jowl) apartment dwellers in USA, too. There are so many variables.

    I have a similar reservation about the NZ 'infection' stats. X in the 20-30 year old bracket and Y in the 70-80 year old bracket would be more meaningful if the figures included what percentage of the NZ population were in each age group.
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    Why not free food and power with your free rent?

    Why was a call for several months of free rent by a writer in the prestigious but now defunct Metro magazine not accompanied by a call for free food, free electricity and free telecommunication connections for everyone, Tenancies War spokesman Mike Butler said today?

    Reacting to news of a mortgage holiday for home-owners, in an article published on Monday, March 27, Tess Nichol wrote "I seriously wonder how much a few months of missed rent should matter."

    Nichol understood both that banks required payment of principal and interest not paid during mortgage holidays, and that "a renter may never pay back the missed rent."

    But with a median rent of $465, a six-month rent holiday that may never be repaid would cost the owner $12,090, while rates, insurance, and taxation payments would continue.

    Most of New Zealand's 290,000 rental property owners own just one or two properties managed in conjunction with a day job which a number would have already lost as a result of the lock-down.

    Why does she single out landlords? Why does she not require supermarkets to give six months free food to customers who rent their homes, six months free electricity from electricity providers to renters, six-months free petrol, and so on.

    Actually, why does she single out renters?

    Why not demand for everyone six-month mortgage holidays that are not repaid, as well as six months free food, electricity, and petrol for everyone?

    Rental property owners tend not to speak out or fight back, but this is an instance when the absurdity of the attack needs a bit of ridicule to expose it's stupidity.

    Stop the War on Tenancies is a group that - since October 2018 - has been highlighting the evidence that successive governments have ignored while creating problematic rental property policy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Perry View Post
    Right. Not in NZ - first.

    Second - as a percentage of the population?

    Supposedly, the USA death toll is over 20,000. Using the 20k figure, that means the lower age bracket you refer to as dying from the virus is between 3 and 4%.

    In the absence of background data, the expression "hundreds" can be a bit.
    I never suggested that hundreds of young otherwise healthy people had died in NZ. I do stand by my comment that hundreds (if not thousands, with a little more digging) of said "young healthy people" have died due to Covid19 globally. Which was made in rebuttal to Mrsaneperson's comment:

    "This is a virus that affects seriously only those with a compromised immune system and/or the elderly...if you are reasonably healthy and fit you have nothing to worry about."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Perry View Post
    A debt the gummint has incurred, but one which will have to be paid back by those very people who are "sitting comfortably at home enjoying their government wage."

    A debt incurred "for the people" to be repaid "by the people."

    Yes, the Government will seek to recover costs incurred with the various Covid-19 packages.

    What's your pick Perry on how they will do that?

    Perhaps new tiers of income tax for example; 70-120k @ 36% and 120k+ @ 39%?

    And some form of Wealth tax; for example an annual bill calculated on assets (excluding the family home) - liabilities at a certain rate or perhaps Prof. Susan St. Johns remedy, an "intellectually satisfying" deemed income calculus, aka risk-free rate of return method (RFRM) of taxation?

    Should we look out for some recommendations from the "completely independent public policy think tank"; the Helen Clark foundation....

    Of course, increasing taxes during a recession makes perfect sense.

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    Learning specifically show threads that support your statement that hundreds of young fit and healthy people are dying from the virus.

    So far you've failed to do just that with the links provided.

    Do not presume just because someone is a health worker and they died due to covid19, that they are young, fit and healthy. They may have had serious pre existing health conditions, many health workers do. A family member in her mid 20s, working as a nurse sadly died at age 25 from a critical pre existing health condition.


 

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