Crime and punishment.

[spaceman]

When does a crimminal become a crimminal?

Is it when the crime is commited?
Is it once the judge decides the court case?

For example...the mosque guy......he did what he did....no court case yet..... is he a criminal?

Maybe he is too much of an extreme example as perhaps he has a reasonable insanity defence.

Lets say that I threaten to travel to Perry's house and kick his head in...… not that I ever would Perry is at completely zero risk from that ever happening from me.

But for an example lets say that I did and Perry took it as a credible threat..... as far as I understand that is a crime.
There is no argument about what I did (IN THE EXAMPLE NOT REAL LIFE!!!!!!!)

Am I a criminal for what I have done..... or not a criminal since I haven't been convicted of anything yet.

What if Perry lays a complaint but the Police decide not to prosecute so I'm never convicted....I still did what I did.

Is the line in the sand a conviction or is it the act??

Cheers
Spaceman

[McDuck]

when.

Cheers
Spaceman

Oh come on Spacie
This one is too easy.

Whenever the person commits a crime.
does the act, as defined by the laws of the jurisdiction.

Planning is an act.
Talking is an act.

Basically altering the positions of atoms in the world, to the configuration described by the law.
Could be sound in air, or ink on paper, or lead in limbs.

Did you see minority report. ha. Precrime.

And in the deterministic universe, you always were a criminal from the dawn of time.

[spaceman]

sooooooo what you're saying is...….

Commit a crime and your a criminal regardless of if you ever get convicted or not......sounds like justice to me …...not sure if it is correct or not though.

Cheers
Spaceman

[McDuck]

sooooooo what you're saying is...….

Commit a crime and your a criminal regardless of if you ever get convicted or not......sounds like justice to me …...not sure if it is correct or not though.

Cheers
Spaceman

depends if your god saw you.

Meh, technically, the word crime is connected to the sifting.

so, technically,
until the judge sifts you, you ain't an actual criminal.
you may have committed a crime in some ones or beings eyes, but are yet to be sorted as a bad egg.

[spaceman]

LOLZ

Sooooo what you're saying is......

Untill the judge convicts you, you're not a criminal.

Flip flop much????

Does it matter what you've done ….the mosque guy for example …. no question about what he did.....not a criminal??

There is certainly a question about why he did it ….but surely the why would only alter the nature of his crimes. What if he never goes to trial?

AKA was Epstein a criminal??….obviously he has some previous convictions, but lets assume he paid his debt to society for those. Was he a criminal for the charges he was facing before he died??

Cheers
Spaceman

[McDuck]

LOLZ

Sooooo what you're saying is......

Untill the judge convicts you, you're not a criminal.

Flip flop much..

Cheers
Spaceman

Ha, well I do try and present all sides.

I think the problem comes from your need for absolutism.

Things are very much a point of view affair.

You have three brothers.

Tall, middle and short.

you ask both the tall and the short to describe the middle.

they would give the opposite answer.

Criminality in this case is a social construct.

And there are many societies within ours.

Each with their own code of ethics.

so perhaps you just need to define your social group.

[sidinz]

Yes. A crime boss is most definitely a criminal. But usually not a convicted criminal.
I think that is the delineation that you're looking for.

[McDuck]

Yes. A crime boss is most definitely a criminal. But usually not a convicted criminal.
I think that is the delineation that you're looking for.

Ha!

yes,

De-LINE-ation.

but how thick is a line?

Oh, hey, the cricket is on.

[klauster]

sooooooo what you're saying is...….

Commit a crime and your a criminal regardless of if you ever get convicted or not......sounds like justice to me …...not sure if it is correct or not though.

Cheers
Spaceman

Some people's joy is other people's crime!

Crime - not everybody gets caught. If caught, a criminal failed to prove being innocent.