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    Quote Originally Posted by Perry View Post
    So, in your opinion - everyone - will you no longer consider any WINZ-supported applicants?
    Around 10% of working age get a Gov't hand out.

    There were 299,472 working-age people in receipt of a main benefit as at the end of September 2019
    Source

    There's a bar graph - show's decrease with JK was in, the increase with JA.

    In Kapiti, the majority of tenants are getting a benefit. Very low wage economy.

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    As I was doing other things today, I mused on the [official bullshit figures that] xxx percentage of kiwis now rent, rather than own, compared to yesteryear. (Gen. Rent by Shammy)

    If ever there was a statistic that was open to political and statistical manipulation, that's one.

    Rent for how long?

    Own for how long?

    Solo or with other contributors to the rent payable?

    Probably other things, too.

    Stats scumbags, all.

    Long, long ago, when I was first married, I went from renting to owning in around 18 years. And I had family fiscal help to become an owner. Whether of not the 'family benefit' of seven shillings and sixpence a week was capitalised as part of that process, I can't recall. But there was a stamp duty exemption for a first home purchase that saved quite a few dollars.

    For the more-now-rent-than-own figures to have any relevance, or even accuracy, the when, where, how and how long need to be shown.
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    The number of people receiving a main benefit by the end of September 2019 was 15,157 more, or 5.3 percent higher when compared to September 2018. The increase in numbers was mostly driven by a 10.2 percent increase in the number of people receiving Jobseeker Support.
    Oh yes, and all we hear in the main stream media is how low unemployment is.

    From the site Donna linked to: https://www.msd.govt.nz/about-msd-an...-benefits.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by annie brookes View Post
    Ok so I don’t like losing the flexibility of the 90 notice even though I haven’t used it in nearly ten years. But I seem to be reading in the HUD faqs that assignment to new tenants cannot be unreasonably turned down. That feels like a bigger risk to me since the reasons I might not accept a tenants suggested replacement can be quite subtle and not easy to explain. Any thoughts on that one? Will I eventually not be the one choosing the tenants?
    Assignment seems to refer only to fixed term tenancies, but since these turn into periodic under the proposed policy, landlords are stuck with the assignees unless other termination causes are met. I see what the government is trying to do here - allow tenants to get out of a FTT without (much) penalty. In practice, if a landlord declines a proposed assignment the existing tenants will have to take a case to the Tenancy Tribunal to get it overturned. That will be interesting, even amusing actually - what will count as reasonable or unreasonable. That will need clear guidelines and is not going to be black and white.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Perry View Post
    As I was doing other things today, I mused on the [official bullshit figures that] xxx percentage of kiwis now rent, rather than own, compared to yesteryear. (Gen. Rent by Shammy)

    If ever there was a statistic that was open to political and statistical manipulation, that's one.

    Rent for how long?

    Own for how long?

    Solo or with other contributors to the rent payable?

    Probably other things, too.

    Stats scumbags, all.

    Long, long ago, when I was first married, I went from renting to owning in around 18 years. And I had family fiscal help to become an owner. Whether of not the 'family benefit' of seven shillings and sixpence a week was capitalised as part of that process, I can't recall. But there was a stamp duty exemption for a first home purchase that saved quite a few dollars.

    For the more-now-rent-than-own figures to have any relevance, or even accuracy, the when, where, how and how long need to be shown.
    Immigration has a large impact on renting numbers. The last decade or two would, logically, see a large increase in this population given most immigrants to NZ will rent for at least a few years and many are coming from lower wage economies than will mean they need a significant amount of time to earn enough to consider becoming home owners.

    No one is going to talk too much about that of course.

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    Quote Originally Posted by elguapo View Post
    Immigration has a large impact on renting numbers. The last decade or two would, logically, see a large increase in this population given most immigrants to NZ will rent for at least a few years and many are coming from lower wage economies than will mean they need a significant amount of time to earn enough to consider becoming home owners.

    No one is going to talk too much about that of course.
    Well said - it's visible - the new and upgraded rental stock doesn’t help these people.
    Fake stats don’t masks increasing numbers of homelessness, people on benefits, increased demand of emergency housing and problems in communities and businesses alike (gang membership, burglaries, labour shortage e.g. in Hawke Bay). How na´ve have people to be?

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    Insert any cuss word you like here ! ! !
    They have no data!
    On the FAQ regarding the new RTA on page 8. And I quote:
    "The 2018 General Social Survey found that 25 percent of tenants who had moved in the past five years did so because their landlord ended the tenancy"
    Having asked under the OIA I am now in receipt of the answer to the following:
    The number, expressed as a percentage, of tenants who have moved in the past five years as a result of a 90 day, no reason, notification.
    The answer from the Stats NZ was, and I quote:
    "We did not collect data on renters moved because of a 90 day, no reason, notification."
    Yet again. NO ****** DATA!

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    So is this a lie to pass on to Ms Collins?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Perry View Post
    So is this a lie to pass on to Ms Collins?
    Goes with the request I made of the Government and replied to on September 6th 2019. No data.

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