Should Property Managers be registered?

[artemis]

And be able to be suspended? This issue has been in the media lately. From Bindi Norwell and today from tenant advocates (RNZ link below).

The RNZ interview today is quite muddled, cherry picking anecdotes as if they are the norm. That aside, good to hear from tenants and advocates. We don't always.

Advocate issues included - maintenance not being done, bonds not lodged, joint and several liabilities being left to fewer tenants than on the TA, property managers just out of uni with no clue, PMs who can't cope with their workloads especially where there are many tenants in one rental on rent-by-the room, too hard to go to the Tenancy Tribunal and if they do they get turned down for rentals later.

Anecdotes usually.

I wonder if RNZ will run a counter argument that PMs should not be registered? Probably not. Extra bureaucracy / control is the go to solution these days.

Noticeable that the media like Stuff are now poring over TT decisions and publishing some. Very even handed - one bad landlord, one bad tenant. Very representative of numbers of TT decisions!

https://www.rnz.co.nz/audio/player?audio_id=2018716530

https://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/if-you-complain-you-wont-be-able-rent-property-again

[Perry]

Usual Norwellian Bindi BS. See this thread for a list of epic fails by licensed REAs.

Just wannabe empire building - is all it is.

[donna]

Yes PMs should be registered. There's enough discussion on PropertyTalk over the years with dodgy property managers - many caught with their hand in the cookie jar.

cheers,

Donna

[Learning]

Will it be like registered electricians? Liable for massive multi thousand dollar fines for breaking the EWRB's rules. Where as unregistered electrician's failings are handled by local authorities with penalties for the same offenses ranging from nothing to a smack on the wrist and a stern look.

[Perry]

Yes PMs should be registered. There's enough discussion on PropertyTalk over the years with dodgy property managers - many caught with their hand in the cookie jar.

Has being registered made dodgy REAs extinct? Hell, no.

But why stop there?

Why not register window cleaners, pasty cooks, firewood merchants, checkout operators, librarians, seamstresses, car valets, courier drivers, on and on.

Empire building and revenue gathering are part of the socialists' dreams.

[artemis]

I'm with Perry. National registers for this and that, along with all the systems, processes, compliance, staff, accommodation, vehicles, clipboards etc etc - not cheap.

There should be a proper cost benefit analysis carried out first, based on data for the actual problem and realistic costs. Like that's going to happen.

[Keys]

Yes. Why not? This is an example of tenants trying it on. By all means look at all the decisions in this case. I even got fined for following the law and doing monthly inspections FFS.

[eri]

i manage a couple of my rentals

making me jump through even more expensive + time consuming hoops won't improve my tenants life 1 bit

currently running around in circles trying to get wellington to update a bond

something that would never have happened if i was holding it

every time

there's a requirement to bend the lives of 99% tenants and housing providers

to fit the whims of a bureaucratic cookie cutter formed to deal with the 1%

there's a cost involved to all...

[Perry]

Yet another example of how codes of empire building do not work.

[PC]

If 97% of tribunal cases are against tenants - then obviously its the problematic tenants who need to be licensed.
A training course on basic tenant skills should be mandatory.
Things like: how to clean, how to pull curtains and open a window, fix a fuse, change a light bulb, pay your rent, etc.
Address the actual real problem for a change.

[Perry]

every time there's a requirement to bend the lives of 99% tenants and housing providers to fit the whims of a bureaucratic cookie cutter formed to deal with the 1% there's a cost involved to all...

But according to Dhil Twitford, that's just a scenario he doesn't [non-]think will happen.

Just like GST, of course the costs get passed onwards and downwards to the end consumer.

Twitford et al would struggle to out-shine a light bulb with a broken filament.

What hope has the beleaguered NZTA got with him as Munster-in-charge?

[artemis]

If 97% of tribunal cases are against tenants - then obviously its the problematic tenants who need to be licensed.
A training course on basic tenant skills should be mandatory.
Things like: how to clean, how to pull curtains and open a window, fix a fuse, change a light bulb, pay your rent, etc.
Address the actual real problem for a change.

Heh, that problem is addressed daily by property owners and managers. It usually ends with - thanks, but no thanks.