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    Quote Originally Posted by donna View Post
    The real issue is of course over-population - here's a good read

    cheers,

    Donna
    And we're importing as many people as we can.
    Squadly dinky do!

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    Gotta make those GDP figures look good, now, y'hear!
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    Anti-vaxxers are selfish to the point where it should be criminally negligent as their actions threaten the lives of the immune-compromised.
    Herd immunity protects the weak, but it requires the herd to be immune and not just parts of it.
    https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/news/...-it-protect-us
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    Quote Originally Posted by Perry View Post
    I don't. And I did not refer to such a situation.

    You have now introduced some odd group referred to as: "those who cannot be vaccinated."

    Who are they? Please explain. Also, why / how they would by-pass the bans I referred to.

    The bans (I linked to) relate to un-vaccinated children attending groups comprised of all vaccinated children.

    Obviously those who implement such bans have no faith in the efficacy of the vaccine that all the other kids have had.

    Is that not stupid?
    I'm pleased you have asked this question and the answer will enlighten you.
    This 'odd group' are infants under 12 months and those with medical conditions which can't handle vaccines.
    These people cannot be vaccinated and if exposed to measles, then they may die.
    These people are out and about in public.
    We protect them via 'herd immunity' which seems a responsible thing to do.
    Anti-vaxxers refuse to take this step which makes them appear selfish.
    Should we care for those that can't be vaccinated?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Kane View Post
    To those who will not vaccinate - they should not be allowed to mix with those who cannot vaccinate.
    This would mean not allowing them to be in public places.
    They should remain in isolation.
    Of course they can mix with other like minded 'will not vaccinate' people.
    Well, I was fully Immunised in 1978 ... still got Mumps still >>> got chicken pox >> even went and got booster shots 2000 pre-going overseas as I like other 100% trust Docs they surely were teached the truth ? Got very sick 24hrs later lasted over a week ...major swelling around neck hives, pimples, headaches, dizziness,fever felt like i was going to die etc .... months later I developed very senstive gut IBS etc- no eggs- no dairy- no gluten + many other foods just couldn't handle after 20+ years of nil issues no family IBS issues etc.


    Interesting facts put down by a doctor >>
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KtN0PMJOOjM


    wasn't that long ago we had lead in fuel was it during the 90's when NZ stopped lead ... I understood pre this time one would have been seen as stupid to think lead in fuel was bad for humans ..I remember the outcry from many no more SUPER gas

    from 36mins shows how the majority + money can dictate facts to the masses+Only one man stood up
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    Quote Originally Posted by JBM View Post
    Well, I was fully Immunised in 1978 ... still got Mumps still >>> got chicken pox >> even went and got booster shots 2000 pre-going overseas as I like other 100% trust Docs they surely were teached the truth ? Got very sick 24hrs later lasted over a week ...major swelling around neck hives, pimples, headaches, dizziness,fever felt like i was going to die etc .... months later I developed very senstive gut IBS etc- no eggs- no dairy- no gluten + many other foods just couldn't handle after 20+ years of nil issues no family IBS issues etc.


    Interesting facts put down by a doctor >>
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KtN0PMJOOjM
    Yep - Dr youtube confirms everything you believe.

    There's science and there's youtube stupidity.
    Your choice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Kane View Post
    Yep - Dr youtube confirms everything you believe.

    There's science and there's youtube stupidity.
    Your choice.
    No, but I think it is interesting the facts put down clearly showing issues and links ... I think is very ignorant to just say anything on the internet like youtube is stupid and everything on Newshub is correct ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Kane View Post
    This 'odd group' are . . . those with medical conditions which can't handle vaccines. These people cannot be vaccinated . . .
    How was that determined, in each case?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Kane View Post
    These people cannot be vaccinated and if exposed to measles, then they may die.
    May being the operative word. They may be run over by a car; they may get leukaemia; they may choke on their chips . . .

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Kane View Post
    We protect them via 'herd immunity' which seems a responsible thing to do.
    Quaint expression. What does it mean, exactly?

    If there are some who can't be vaccinated and some who won't be vaccinated, is that not just a homogeneous group of un-vaccinated individuals in society? What's the hazard risk difference if they're from the can't group or won't group?

    Aside for the "can't be group," do you want to force vaccinations on the rest, no matter what?
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    Perry, infants under 12 months cannot be vaccinated against measles.
    Science/medicine has determined this.
    To question that is, really, being silly.
    We use herd immunity to protect these vulnerable people.
    And yes - people who can't be vaccinated have died through contact with those who will not vaccinate.
    No doubt you will be asking for proof.
    It appears you need some education on this topic.
    Why not talk to your doctor?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Perry View Post
    Aside for the "can't be group," do you want to force vaccinations on the rest, no matter what?
    No - those that will not vaccinate should isolate themselves.
    That seems the fair approach.


 

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