Anti-vaxxers are stupid people

[Bob Kane]

but whatever there must be allowance for those making theior own informed decsions and your premise that "anti-vaxxers are stupid" removes any dignity from your argument

You should hear what Chris Hipkins said about anti-vaxxers:
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/pol...-are-proplague

"Those people who are anti-vaccination are pro plague. It is a ridiculous position, it is not based on science," he said.
"There are very good reasons why we require a certain level of the population to be immunised,so we are not susceptible to massive outbreaks and where those people arguing against it on non-science are basically irresponsible."

The momentum is building and this government is going to sort those anti-vaxxers out.
Now an interesting question - which party would the anti-vaxxers normally vote for?

[John the builder]

which party would the anti-vaxxers normally vote for?

it is more likely that an ideological driven labour party would force this issue because there only creative approach is to regulate and legislate but the anti vaxers are likely cross party although you might expect the greens to be more sensitive,

If you care about what goes into the environment and your body then injecting pharmaceuticals seems counter cultural.

but if you care about persona;l responsibility and human rights then you might also be aghast at any mandatory immunization that doesn't allow for conscience

What this issue needs is education and trust building not nanny state impositions

[Bob Kane]

That's what I was thinking.
Labour sounds like they're going to get stuck into the anti-vaxxers which will cost them votes in the next election.
Sounds good to me.

[Bob Kane]

This made me smile:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-48205523

[John the builder]

Mr Weist told NBC News his young client did not regret his decision to remain unvaccinated

isnt that the way its supposed to work? you get sick you get proper care, you recover, and you are naturally immune.

In this case because it was a religious and moral motivation his conscience is clear.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/healt...=.8caaaf8e140b

[Bob Kane]

Yep.
Catch chickenpox, recover and you strengthen the group immunity.
Or get the vaccine.
If you don't want the vaccine then catch chickenpox.
To do neither is anti-social.
That kids lawyer told him to catch chickenpox and his problems would go away.
Smart lawyer.
Stupid kid.

[John the builder]

Your continual denigration of conscience as "stupid" is pathetic given these people may have good grounds. You really do little to dignify your otherwise reasonable points with personal attacks that are not justified.

in that Kentucky case the young man was a hero.

It is not anti social to catch chicken pox it is natural condition and few of these diseases are life threatening if care is appropriate Polio is exception perhaps and vaccines justified,

I object to bureaucrats adding to the list to create ever growing cocktails of vaccines (some with dubious ethical associations)and some designed to target certain population groups but imposed on the whole to catch these. It is dishonest.

[Keys]

My lad has cold urticaria and was stood down from school as they feared he had the measles.

[Bob Kane]

Your continual denigration of conscience as "stupid" is pathetic given these people may have good grounds. You really do little to dignify your otherwise reasonable points with personal attacks that are not justified.

Conscience is not science.
Those people are living in the dark ages.

in that Kentucky case the young man was a hero.

He was stupid.
He even ignored the advice of his lawyer.

It is not anti social to catch chicken pox it is natural condition and few of these diseases are life threatening if care is appropriate Polio is exception perhaps and vaccines justified,

You continually misread what I write.

I object to bureaucrats adding to the list to create ever growing cocktails of vaccines (some with dubious ethical associations)and some designed to target certain population groups but imposed on the whole to catch these. It is dishonest.

Objection noted.

[John the builder]

Conscience is not science.
Those people are living in the dark ages.

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Dr Josef Mengele was a scientist? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josef_Mengel

Just because we can do something doesn't mean we should?

Science without conscience is dangerous and (as the post elegantly states) is stupid.