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  1. #61
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    Default Even Rich Athletes Can Be Stupid

    https://www.news.com.au/sport/sports...92db92e3bb521c

    Outspoken boxer Anthony Mundine has weighed into the vaccination debate, imploring Australians not to vaccinate their kids.

    Mundine took to Twitter to share his controversial views, encouraging his followers to go against what he considered an act of bullying by the Australian Government.

    “Don’t vaccine your kids period! The government bully you into vaccine! Do your research on the s**t & watched the documentary vaxxed,” he tweeted.

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    Mundine’s comments were immediately labelled as “dangerous” by others, especially as they come amid in a worldwide measles outbreak that has sparked warnings about the importance of immunisation.
    He was also heavily ridiculed for the tweet with many punters suggesting he had taken one punch too many.
    Anthony's advice is stupid and dangerous.
    Unfortunately some people will believe him.
    How can we undo the damage that he has caused?

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    Default I Didn't Expect This

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/09/n...?module=inline


    For months, New York City officials have been fighting a measles outbreak in ultra-Orthodox Jewish communities in Brooklyn, knowing that the solution — the measles vaccine — was not reaching its target audience.
    Mayor Bill de Blasio declared a public health emergency that would require unvaccinated individuals living in Williamsburg, Brooklyn, to receive the measles vaccine. The mayor said the city would issue violations and possibly fines of $1,000 for those who did not comply.
    City officials conceded that the earlier order in December, which banned unvaccinated students from attending schools in certain sections of Brooklyn, was not effective. Mr. de Blasio said on Tuesday that the city would fine or even temporarily shut down yeshivas that did not abide by the measure.
    Would this work?
    - If a person refuses to take the measles vaccine then they should be confine/isolated.
    - You then have to infect them with measles.
    - You keep them isolated until they have recovered and then you release them.

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    The vaccine shouldn't be optional - all and everyone should get it. Live in this world, live by its rules.

    cheers,

    Donna
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    The vaccine shouldn't be optional - all and everyone should get it. Live in this world, live by its rules.

    really? and who makes the rules?

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    Quote Originally Posted by John the builder View Post
    really? and who makes the rules?
    We do.
    Mix in society and obey the rules.
    Or run off and live on an empty island somewhere and make up your own rules.

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    this sounds like tryanny. Does this intolerance apply to all minorities?

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    It's the sound of democracy.
    Vote for the politicians who make the rules you like.
    Vote out the politicians who make rules you don't like.
    Let the stupid anti-vaxxers stand for election and we'll see what happens.
    Actually, the Greens are in parliament and have been for some time.
    I guess democracy isn't perfect but we run with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John the builder View Post
    really? and who makes the rules?
    The people who supply the money.

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    The people who supply the money.
    anti vaxers are taxpayers ratepayers too and supply the money as much as the next.

    Do they get a refund when they pass on the vaccine?

    This says it quite well...................
    MAJORITY RULE / MINORITY RIGHTS

    by Democracy Web

    "If it be admitted that a man possessing absolute power may misuse that power by wronging his adversaries, why should not a majority be liable to the same reproach? Men do not change their characters by uniting with one another; nor does their patience in the presence of obstacles increase with their strength. For my own part, I cannot believe it; the power to do everything, which I should refuse to one of my equals, I will never grant to any number of them."

    Alexis de Tocqueville, "Tyranny of the Majority," Chapter XV, Book 1, Democracy in America

    Majority Rule

    Democracy is defined in Webster's Encyclopedic Dictionary as:

    Government by the people; a form of government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised by them either directly or through their elected agents;... a state of society characterized by nominal equality of rights and privileges.

    What is left out of the dictionary definition of democracy is what constitutes "the people." In practice, democracy is governed by its most popularly understood principle: majority rule. Namely, the side with the most votes wins, whether it is an election, a legislative bill, a contract proposal to a union, or a shareholder motion in a corporation. The majority (or in some cases plurality) vote decides. Thus, when it is said that "the people have spoken" or the "people's will should be respected," the people are generally expressed through its majority.

    Democracy Requires Minority Rights

    Yet majority rule can not be the only expression of "supreme power" in a democracy. If so, as Tocqueville notes above, the majority would too easily tyrannize the minority. Thus, while it is clear that democracy must guarantee the expression of the popular will through majority rule, it is equally clear that it must guarantee that the majority will not abuse its power to violate the basic and inalienable rights of the minority. For one, a defining characteristic of democracy must be the people's right to change the majority through elections. This right is the people's "supreme authority." The minority, therefore, must have the right to seek to become the majority and possess all the rights necessary to compete fairly in elections—speech, assembly, association, petition—since otherwise the majority would make itself permanent and become a dictatorship. For the majority, ensuring the minority's rights becomes a matter of self-interest, since it must utilize the same rights when it is in minority to seek to become a majority again. This holds equally true in a multiparty parliamentary democracy, where no party has a majority, since a government must still be formed in coalition by a majority of parliament members. (http://asmarino.com/articles/1592-ma...inority-rights

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    Quote Originally Posted by John the builder View Post
    anti vaxers are taxpayers ratepayers too and supply the money as much as the next.

    Do they get a refund when they pass on the vaccine?.....
    Get a discount? They should be charged more for endangering others.


 

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