Anti-vaxxers are stupid people

[Bob Kane]

You continually misread what I write.

[John the builder]

You continually misread what I write.

example please

[Bob Kane]

example please

I said:

Catch chickenpox, recover and you strengthen the group immunity.
Or get the vaccine.
If you don't want the vaccine then catch chickenpox.
To do neither is anti-social.

You replied:

It is not anti social to catch chicken pox it is natural condition and few of these diseases are life threatening if care is appropriate Polio is exception perhaps and vaccines justified,

You agreed with me.
And yet you object to my view:

Your continual denigration of conscience as "stupid" is pathetic given these people may have good grounds. You really do little to dignify your otherwise reasonable points with personal attacks that are not justified.

I'm struggling to follow your logic.
You appear to read my posts differently to me.

I'm also struggling to understand your references to WW2 and the Jews.
Have I said anti-vaxxers should be forced to have the vaccine?

[John the builder]

Have I said anti-vaxxers should be forced to have the vaccine?

It has been hard to have a reasoned discussion under a banner that condemns anti-vaxers as "stupid" and the total lack of consideration for people with a contrary position. For many this is based on good faith and conscience. (and often also a good understanding of science despite your premises)

You want to single people out for special attention? How is that not attempting to force people to your view?

[Bob Kane]

You want to single people out for special attention? How is that not attempting to force people to your view?

I'm attempting to change the view of anti-vaxxers because their views can kill people.
People have died due to the actions of anti-vaxxers.
Calling these people stupid is an understatement.
Whether they take the vaccine or not, is their call.

Do you believe the claims of the anti-vaxxers?
You haven't clearly stated your position.
So far, you appear to be defending the freedom of anti-vaxxers - which is admirable - but are not actually an anti-vaxxers.
What camp are you in?
Have your urged your children/grandchildren to have the measles vaccine?

[eri]

i doubt you 2 are going to change each other's views

give it a break

then let it die

you'll feel better;o)

i'll feel better

i hope we'll all feel better

[Bob Kane]

But someone who's not an anti-vaxxer insists on having the last word on my thread.
I can go on for ever.
We might even set a record for most replies on a thread - only about 50,000 posts to go!
C'mon John, hit that 'Reply' button.

[John the builder]

antiv-axxers dont kill the measles does (in very rare cases mostly due to poor care or other pre existing conditions). Why dont we actually talk about issues that actually matter.

I appreciate the more reasoned recent posts. It was the puerile arguments that got me going.

but for me this really is the LAST WORD.

[Bob Kane]

[Keys]

and the total lack of consideration for people with a contrary position.

That's rich.

Nope. The world is overpopulated as it is.

this comment is disgusting and unnecessary.


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but for me this really is the LAST WORD.

[Bob Kane]

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2019/05/unvaccinated-kiwis-bearing-brunt-of-measles-outbreak.html

Ninety-five percent of the children under ten who have caught measles in New Zealand this year have not been vaccinated.

Measles is life-threatening and can cause complications including permanent hearing loss, brain damage, pneumonia and seizures.

Why would parents endanger their children (and others)?

[Davo36]

Give it a break Bob.

[Bob Kane]

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/115120876/measles-ward-opens-to-manage-three-children-admitted-each-day-with-the-preventable-disease

Middlemore Hospital has established a dedicated "measles ward" to deal with the influx of three children admitted each day with the vaccine-preventable illness.

Wards at Middlemore and Auckland's children's hospitals have been overrun with babies and older kids who are dangerously dehydrated and struggling to drink, fevered, and suffering from pneumonia and chest and ear infections while battling measles.

This included three babies in the past two months who have been admitted to the pediatric intensive care unit fighting for their lives. Auckland's Starship Hospital has also seen children in intensive care.

In the current measles outbreak, more than 600 cases have been reported nationwide. Around 40 per cent of those suffering from the highly-contagious disease have been hospitalised.

I note that the stupid anti-vaccers are not interviewed or asked for comments these days.
At last the media are shunning anti-vaxxers.

[Keys]

I think anti-vaxxers should be interviewed.

[Perry]

. . . and asked to comment on such items.