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  1. #71

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    if you are vaccinated you are protected.

    the anti-vaxers are doing so at their own risk.

    What is the problem here?

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    The problem is the anti-vaxxers endanger those who can't be vaccinated - like young babies.
    We have pointed this out to you many times.

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    the meazles is the danger not the the few unvaccinated. Vaccination success doesnt need 100% as per that article above. What you are saying is that if the majority are against it then it doesnt happen but a minority have no say?

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    Quote Originally Posted by John the builder View Post
    the meazles is the danger not the the few unvaccinated. Vaccination success doesnt need 100% as per that article above. What you are saying is that if the majority are against it then it doesnt happen but a minority have no say?
    And I thought you were a logical person.
    I can't decide if you are just being difficult or really don't get it.
    The anti-vax science is faulty - the vaccination science is very strong.

  5. #75

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    This is not about whether vaccination work but even the vaccination science accepts a degree of risk is present with vaccination

    Personal choice and personal responsibility dictate that everyone has the right to accept that risk and that includes not vaccinating.

    This is a logical and reasonable position to take and the vaccination dictators are the unreasonable ones.

    I am personally not against vaccination but I do not trust the pharmaceutical companies and the public health ideologues. I am also concerned that more and more diseases are added and they are administered as a cocktail with little thought for accumulative effects.

    I have a family member who immune-deficiency condition and a poorly administered vaccination (given while ill) is strongly suspected.

    I defend a parents right to decide for themselves and their own children. It is a basic right to refuse medical treatment. If we do not allow for minority dissent we are on a slippery slope.
    Last edited by John the builder; 25-04-2019 at 06:05 PM.

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    bbc just said that world-wide

    the last calendar year saw a 300% rise in the number of children infected by measles over the year before

    apparently the most infectious disease most of us are ever likely to encounter

    can't find a link that the radio story came from, so here's similar

    https://www.theverge.com/2019/4/24/1...disease-spread
    Last edited by eri; 25-04-2019 at 07:30 PM.
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  7. #77

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    300% just means that last year there was 1 and this year there are 3.

    that article says 695 in a country of 350million??? More people probably die falling off ladders and we don't hear the same hysteria about them?

    In chch 4 out of the 12 cases were fully vaccinated so please explain that?

    why the big outcry? perhaps the vested interest from the pharmaceutical and health professional with their own agendas?

    perople dont die from measles but from the complications?

    if so the answer is better education on care of unvaccinated?

    Measles complications

    Measles can be life threatening: about 1 in 10 people with measles will need hospital treatment.
    Measles can also lead to other complications, including:

    • ear infections (which can cause permanent hearing loss)
    • diarrhoea
    • pneumonia
    • seizures
    • swelling of the brain – this is rare, but can cause permanent brain damage or death.

    Up to 30% of people with measles will develop complications – usually children under 5 and adults over the age of 20.
    Measles during pregnancy increases the risk of miscarriage, premature labour and low birth-weight babies.
    https://www.health.govt.nz/your-heal...nesses/measles

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    New Zealand is one of just seven countries to have officially wiped out home-grown cases of measles and rubella, according to the World Health Organisation. Since 2012 all cases have originated overseas.

    until mass vaccinations

    measles killed millions a year

    after mass vaccinations the death rate dropped to about 100,000 a year

    if it's on the rise

    and 300,000 die in 2019

    should anything be done?

    Measles causes encephalitis and pneumonia and before mass vaccination began in the 1980s, measles killed nearly 2.6 million people a year, according to the World Health Organization.
    It still kills more than 100,000 people a year, mostly children under five.
    One in 1,000 people who catch measles die of it.
    Jan 22, 2019
    Last edited by eri; 25-04-2019 at 09:19 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by John the builder View Post
    I defend a parents right to decide for themselves and their own children. It is a basic right to refuse medical treatment. If we do not allow for minority dissent we are on a slippery slope.
    The solution for these people is to isolate themselves from everyone else.
    They have no basic right to walk amongst us if they refuse to vaccinate.

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    BK this is insane

    you talk as if the unvaccinated are causing the problem

    the anti vaxers are not causing the measles. They are the victims?

    Can someone please explain if the mortality rates are signs of inadequate treatment of the complications or directly related to the measles. My understanding is that all the complications are treatable and neglect is the issue?
    ...and from that link to WHO...... (do you really trust these guys??
    As a young doctor, he treated a child who wasn't vaccinated and contracted measles that led to a rare and chronic disorder of the central nervous system.
    "And I can tell you, you don't want any child to go through that. That was a result of not being vaccinated, getting the disease and then getting one of the, admittedly rare, complications of disease.
    "Measles is a serious disease. Even in developed countries now, one in five thousand children who gets measles will die."
    Worldwide, measles kills almost 400 children every day while over 100 thousand babies are born every year with serious disabilities after being exposed to rubella in the womb.
    surely we have this out of perspective?
    The United Nations reports that over 7.6 million people die annually throughout the world because of hunger or a hunger-related cause. This means about 21,000 people, on average, die every day because of food insecurity. That’s one person every 4 seconds.
    A great majority of these deaths are typically children.
    [https://www.google.com/search?q=deat...hrome&ie=UTF-8

    Worldwide 300000 per year measles vs 7.6 million hunger? (830per day measles vs 21000 hunger)What is going on here people? Is this not another example of 1st world self interest?


 

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