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    Quote Originally Posted by sidinz View Post
    Nope. They are specifying how efficient/economical the heating needs to be!
    How?

    The idea of 100 watts of electrical energy in will give 1000 watts of heat energy out is a fantasy that only Dhil Twitford and other socio-commies can conceive of.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sidinz View Post
    Nope. They are specifying how efficient/economical the heating needs to be. Anything that costs too much to run won't meet the requirements.
    That's hard to believe.
    I must have missed that.
    Can you give me more details please?
    I only saw the bit about reaching 18C.

    Quote Originally Posted by sidinz;
    In my case, the window directly behind the stove is an opening one.
    I have to install two fans in opening windows.
    If the tenant doesn't want to open the window, will they use the fan?

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    Found it:
    In most cases, the fixed heating device required will be a larger device such as a heat-pump or wood burner. In some cases such as small apartments, a smaller fixed electric heater will be sufficient. The minimum size of the small fixed heater that the online tool will recommend is 1.5 kilowatt.


    Some heating devices are inefficient, unaffordable or unhealthy to run, such as unflued gas heaters, open fires, electric heaters (except heat pumps) with a heating capacity of greater than 2.4 kilowatts, and multiple electric heaters (except heatpumps) in one room. These particular heating devices will not be accepted in the heating standard, meaning that while they can still be used, they won’t meet the standard and the landlord will in most cases need to provide an alternative, acceptable fixed heating device.
    So an electric heater between 1.5 and 2.4 kw will do.
    About $100?
    And if the living room is too large an area to warm up?
    Simple, divide it in half with a new wall.
    Let the other half be a study with no heating.

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    I posted about my bathroom fan thing on Graeme's FB group page. It just gets worse. Apparently to put a fan in the exterior wall, I'll have to run ugly cable through a conduit, either from the light bulb, right above the shower and down the wall, or from the laundry next door, across the wall (above laundry fixtures) out the exterior wall, along it and back in again.
    All to install a fan that is a permanent draught, (as in-wall fans are) when the rules state that draughts around windows and doors must be stopped!
    Worse, it will require a new RCD. Only they're not allowed to put new ones in my board because it's made of asbestos. So to put a new fan in, I'll need to replace my circuit board. We are talking thousands.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Kane View Post
    So an electric heater between 1.5 and 2.4 kw will do.
    About $100?
    And if the living room is too large an area to warm up?
    Simple, divide it in half with a new wall.
    Let the other half be a study with no heating.
    Or two heaters - one at each end of the room?
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    need a like button for that one perry

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    Quote Originally Posted by Perry View Post
    Or two heaters - one at each end of the room?
    For electric heaters - it covers that - not up to standard.
    Must be one heater less than 2.4kw.
    And can heat the room to 18C - might use a formula to calculate that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Kane View Post
    For electric heaters - it covers that - not up to standard.
    Must be one heater less than 2.4kw.
    And can heat the room to 18C - might use a formula to calculate that.
    Hard to see a tenant's application to the Tenancy Tribunal succeeding in imposing a serious fine (payable to the tenant) if there are for example two fixed heaters that don't meet the exact standard but that heat the space adequately. And that cost a fraction of the acceptable heating types.

    There is a general election in 2020. If there continues to be a shortage of rentals and an ongoing huge increase in state house waiting lists, a new government might decide to pursue only the worst cases. That would be sensible.

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    Im still a bit hazy on that plastic moisture barrier---We have several bungalows that are bone dry underneath--they have the traditional ''skirting'' below the weatherboards from floor level...It allows plenty of ventilation.....Is this considered enclosed?.(I dont think they could trap moisture under there if they tried...or are they talking about the blockwork places that would restrict air and trap moisture?.....sounds like a 2.5kw heater simply attached by a screw to a wall (even while on the floor)would do for heat compliance...................Looks like sparkies are going to get some extra business with extractor fans(wonder if extracting into above the ceiling area would be ok(plenty of ventilation)

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    Did anyone attend the "consultation" on these changes?
    Or just dictates from on high as usual.
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