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  1. #11
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    People are always happiest when others pay tax (rates is a tax) rather than them.
    When they have to pay the tax it is unfair etc but they don't mind getting the benefit of others having paid it.

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    Tax / Rates / whatever are supposed to be universal.

    So-called 'targeted Rates' are one of the items that give the lie to that concept.

    Seemed a good idea at the time, but . . . .

    Some councils use unimproved property value as the figure to base Rates on.

    Some use 'capital' value.

    Most councils - and Herr Goffler's is the leader - are all about increasing income and empire-building and almost never about reducing costs.

    What we see is the result of that.

    Of course, Herr Goffler says that's not true.

    But the valid observation in response is simple: if Goffler's going to tell a lie, he tells a big one!

    To Herr Goffler, it can be validly said,

    Your Council's actions speak so loudly that Ratepayers cannot hear what the Mayor is saying.
    With all the Draconian new laws for residential rental LLs, perhaps AirBnB would be better? To avoid any hassle in Hawke's Bay, consult Be My Hostess. Want a great looking concrete swimming pool in Hawke's Bay? Designer Pools will do the job for you!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Perry View Post
    Tax / Rates / whatever are supposed to be universal.
    What do you mean by 'universal'?
    Everyone pays something or everyone pays the same?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wayne View Post
    What do you mean by 'universal'?
    Everyone pays something or everyone pays the same?
    Everyone pays something

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anes View Post
    Everyone pays something
    If that were what 'universal' meant then
    "So-called 'targeted Rates' are one of the items that give the lie to that concept."
    Wouldn't be true would it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wayne View Post
    What do you mean by 'universal'?
    It matters not whether you are rich, comfortable or whatever, if the Rates on your land are xxx dollars, then that's what you pay. (Irrespective of your income or financial status)
    With all the Draconian new laws for residential rental LLs, perhaps AirBnB would be better? To avoid any hassle in Hawke's Bay, consult Be My Hostess. Want a great looking concrete swimming pool in Hawke's Bay? Designer Pools will do the job for you!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Perry View Post
    It matters not whether you are rich, comfortable or whatever, if the Rates on your land are xxx dollars, then that's what you pay. (Irrespective of your income or financial status)
    Yip.
    So by targeted rates you were talking rates targeted based on someones income?
    If so then I'd agree with you.
    Taxes do that but rates shouldn't (they do it by value instead - more expensive houses are owned by rich people who can afford it they say).

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    ^

    the new gov. would agree with you

    for the family home (poor churches, maori land etc)

    BUT, for a 2nd home, like investment property(ies)

    they would like rates to also have a wealth tax component

    call it whatever you like - "no new taxes comrade jacinta" certainly won't be calling it a tax - maybe a "think-of-the-children-fairness-levy"?

    they want to extract as much money as possible

    off the people that don't traditionally vote labour

    because that's what labour voters expect

    and property, being non-portable and highly regulated

    seems the perfect sitting duck
    Last edited by eri; 10-01-2019 at 06:57 PM.
    have you defeated them?
    your demons


 

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