Anyone changed their supermarket shopping habits lately?

[Bob Kane]

Recycling and/or re-using glass and plastic has always been more expensive than one-time use.
It's a doomed concept - a bit like socialism and the Greens.
The problem is in the plastic and forcing people to change their behaviour doesn't fix the problem.
Someone needs to invent a new plastic or modify the existing so that it breaks down safely in the environment.
Once that is achieved then we roll it out everywhere and we don't have to change our behaviour.

On a slightly different topic - the loudest supporters of banning single-use plastic bags are the socialist/greens nutters.
They have this defect in their brains where they love to force other people to change their behaviour.
They want to also ban cars in cities, stop using oil, ban gm crops, ban vaccinations and fluoride, ban landlords and ban Santa.
I'm always suspicious of those who think the world has to change to meet their beliefs.

[artemis]

....... On a slightly different topic - the loudest supporters of banning single-use plastic bags are the socialist/greens nutters.
They have this defect in their brains where they love to force other people to change their behaviour.
They want to also ban cars in cities, stop using oil, ban gm crops, ban vaccinations and fluoride, ban landlords and ban Santa.
I'm always suspicious of those who think the world has to change to meet their beliefs.

Greens also wanted house prices to fall by 50%. That should warn voters that cause and effect is an alien concept to the Greens.

[eri]

and don't forget

they want us all to become vegans

and spend our lives chewing cud

humans struggle to absorb enough plant-sourced iron for healthy blood

[Davo36]

Recycling and/or re-using glass and plastic has always been more expensive than one-time use.
It's a doomed concept - a bit like socialism and the Greens.
The problem is in the plastic and forcing people to change their behaviour doesn't fix the problem.
Someone needs to invent a new plastic or modify the existing so that it breaks down safely in the environment.
Once that is achieved then we roll it out everywhere and we don't have to change our behaviour.

Bollocks.

They have even banned them in poor African countries: https://www.accaglobal.com/an/en/mem...stic-bags.html

Oh and just saw this: https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/loca...itM4tKS2CjSfEk

[Davo36]

It's all a crock of crap, really.

Stand back a bit and imagine some novice media person saying to Taxcindarella and the water melon party's Russel Gormanless:

Good start, folks! Well done.

How soon do you anticipate the gov't promoting milk returning to re-usable glass bottles?

<strained silence follows>

Why are you so dismissive?

Glass bottles seem like a good idea to me too.

[Davo36]

You guys should watch this: https://www.facebook.com/nasdaily/vi...1874258678728/

[Perry]

It's all a crock of crap, really.

Stand back a bit and imagine some novice media person saying to Taxcindarella and the water melon party's Russel Gormanless:

Good start, folks! Well done.

How soon do you anticipate the gov't promoting milk returning to re-usable glass bottles?

<strained silence follows>

Why are you so dismissive?

Glass bottles seem like a good idea to me too.

I'm only dismissive of the fantasy notion that it would become anything remotely like a half-pie gummint policy.

"But they're heavier and it burns more fuel to get the bottles there and here," and all the other specious responses will follow.

I have an acquaintance who was a 'milk boy' in his juvenile years.

He pushed a trolley around houses nearby, with a milk can or two on board, from the family dairy farm.


He would run up the path and knock on the door. When opened, he would ask, "how many dippers do you want today?"

He would be handed a billy, rush back to his trolley, ladle in the requested number of dippers, return to the door and collect the pennies which were due.


That milk was only hours old. No one ever died or got diseased from it. There were no throw away containers, either.

Then came 'progress.'

[Bob Kane]

Bollocks.

As per usual, you're not making sense.

[Bob Kane]

Why are you so dismissive?

Glass bottles seem like a good idea to me too.

How much would you pay to have milk in a glass bottle?
How would milk in a glass bottle benefit you?

[Wayne]

Then came 'progress.'

With that comment I presume you fell we should go back to that time?
Of course this method was progress on the time when you had your own cow in the yard - even fresher then.
Progress is happening all the time - hard to know at which point we should go back to.

[Davo36]

How much would you pay to have milk in a glass bottle?
How would milk in a glass bottle benefit you?

Say 10% more?

Oh and it would be benefit us all not to have to stockpile the god knows how many thousands of plastic milk bottles are discarded each week. You know they're not being recycled but just piled up, right?

[sidinz]

I'd like to see a tax on new plastics. Driving up the price of virgin plastic packaging would make alternatives - recycled plastic, hemp/bamboo alternatives, glass etc. more attractive. Or even better, some manufacturers would reduce the ridiculous amount of packaging they currently bombard us with.

[Bob Kane]

Say 10% more?

lol
Milk in a reusable glass bottle would cost a lot more than that.
Maybe $10 litre?
I suspect no-one would buy it whatever the actual cost turned out to be.

Oh and it would be benefit us all not to have to stockpile the god knows how many thousands of plastic milk bottles are discarded each week. You know they're not being recycled but just piled up, right?

Yes I do know that.
But that's the cheapest way to deliver milk.
Any change will mean a cost increase which people won't pay for.
Add plastic soft drink bottles and the problem is even larger.
The answer is a better type of plastic which won't cause the environmental impact that we have now.
The smart scientist who invents that and the company who owns the patent will become very rich.

[artemis]

There is now high tech incineration of plastics and also other refuse. Outputs being electricity and various metals, some valuable. Already happening in some countries.

I wrote to Mr Seymour suggesting an investigation and possible pilot. He replied sensibly, saying that this was the second time he had received the suggestion in a week. But also saying that certain elements would be horrified and go all out to stop it.

Still, maybe seed is being sown.

[eri]

japan already does the highest tech incineration

and they end up with a pretty nasty dioxin laden ash residue

that needs to be treated a bit like low level radioactive waste

and nobody wants in their neighborhood

and that's before the pcb issues

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/227071028_Japan's_waste_management_policies_for_dioxins_and_polychlorinated_biphenyls