Carpet clean at end of tenancy.

[mrsaneperson]

There are many parts of the law's interpretation which I disagree with. However, as has been said. That is the law and you must work with it.

Quite so. That is why i do what i do , advise my tenants to use a professional carpet cleaner which is in both their interests, mine and the new incoming tenant. When they don't my option is to have the carpets cleaned the only way they can be cleaned which requires a specialist carpet cleaner. They are then billed accordingly, law or no law. Have had no issues with this in TT, because it is operating within the law. The fact that the law fails to recognize the only way to clean carpets is through a specialized cleaning service because they are unlike other parts of the property where normal cleaning can be used is not my problem.

[Keys]

There is a huge industry which disagrees with you.

[mrsaneperson]

That link is for vacuum cleaners.
You vacuum carpets with them, you cannot clean carpets with them.

Do you use a vacuum cleaner for inside your shower to clean it?

[mrsaneperson]

Do you vacuum your clothes or use a washing machine to clean them?

[Bob Kane]

Do you vacuum your clothes or use a washing machine to clean them?

I walk on my carpet. I don't wear it.

[Bob Kane]

Rug doctors often result in damaged or partially cleaned carpet even those with reasonable intelligence can get it wrong. I have seen the results.

You keep alluding to the terrible damage being caused by rug doctors.
However you haven't described what this damage is.
Can you please elaborate?

[mrsaneperson]

I walk on my carpet. I don't wear it.

Lol, so it still needs washing in any case.

[mrsaneperson]

You keep alluding to the terrible damage being caused by rug doctors.
However you haven't described what this damage is.
Can you please elaborate?

Patchy cleans , and in some instances because of incorrect use the carpet pile is roughed up.

[Viking]

Ask the Chem-Dry or Jaes people. They can tell you what it does.
Carpet cleaning has moved on 20 years since those things got put out in the super markets as has the carpet technology.

[mrsaneperson]

Ive answered all those questions many times before .

Theirs no need to continue the vexation whereby you were banned from the forum for several months, and now again you falsely accuse me of "illegally extorting money" out of tenants . This is inflammatory nonsense and conduct unbecoming of professional discussion.

Lets raise the bar for both landlord and tenant, simply put professional carpet cleaning is in the best interests and fairness to all parties involved, tenant and landlord..
Is it enforceable ? Yes, in certain situations , never had any issues getting it applied when carpets have been left in a soiled condition. No one is getting ripped off. Carpets are cleaned at the start and carpets will be cleaned at the end and the best way is with a professional service, no rug doctor or just a vacuum. Its a strong ""recommendation"" i state on any T/A . You are welcome to manage your own properties in the best way or style you see fit, abiding by the RTA in the same way i do.

I look after my tenants bests interests very much so, and they are very happy ,ensuring long term tenancies, one tenant has been with us now for over 17 years, and many keep in touch often asking me to let them know about other vacancies when available.

Spaceman who are you voting for?

[mrsaneperson]

I've no idea why such vociferous ramblings you are engaging in.

Tenants have no obligation upon them but to leave the carpets in reasonably clean condition.. Yes, that is all that is required.If tenant leaves the carpet in a reasonably clean condition, then there is no issue. If there is an issue and said carpets are not in reasonably clean condition then it needs to be addressed and tenant will be billed accordingly. In order to clean said carpets properly, they require specialist knowledge and equipment that is why I recommend the use of a professional carpet cleaning company who have the equipment and expertise necessary to properly clean them. Carpets are unlike other household chattels that are able to be cleaned without the need of special equipment ex. showers, ovens etc. Again with Rug Doctors I don't allow them in my T/As, if a tenant wants to use one, and as a result damages the carpet, then they will foot the bill.

Finally Spaceman you should realise that the RTA is unlike other areas of law. It is such that the element of fairness and reasonableness can be applied more readily, and that much of the time it is up to the adjudicator to determine and apply this to cases brought before them.

It seems you are trying to tell me how to manage my business, so I picked you out as a socialist , Labour supporter to the core 😅. I do manage my business the way I want to, in accordance to the RTA. Can carpets be cleaned properly to a reasonable standard without the use of professional cleaning equipment?
No they cannot. Can I stipulate on my T/As, a tenant cannot use a Rug Doctor? Yes. But if they choose to do so then the risk factor and quality of cleaning will be their own responsibility, and if the job is poorly done, then they face a bill for a professional cleaning carpet service. Nothing less, nothing more is being asked for since they received clean carpets at the start of their tenancy and the new incoming tenant has a right to expect this, as does the landlord .

Spaceman, you should get some much needed rest.

[spaceman]

…….
In order to clean said carpets properly, they require specialist knowledge and equipment

Not according to the law.

that is why I recommend the use of a professional carpet cleaning company who have the equipment and expertise necessary to properly clean them.

Now you're doing what most people would call lying through your teeth. You have told us in the past that you forced tenants to clean the carpets with illegal clauses in your TA's and threats. Stop trying to change your story and paint it as a mere recommendation.

Again with Rug Doctors I don't allow them in my T/As, if a tenant wants to use one, and as a result damages the carpet, then they will foot the bill.

What exactly would you do if the tenant used a rug doctor and didn't damage the carpet?

It seems you are trying to tell me how to manage my business

Nope I pointed out that what you admitted to was illegal.....you admitted you know it's illegal and yet you try to claim you're in the right. I did tell you should try to be a better person. This is true for all of us, but especially for those of us who think extorting money from people is an appropriate way to run a business

....I do manage my business the way I want to, in accordance to the RTA.

No you don't ….you have stated quite clearly that you don't.

Can carpets be cleaned properly to a reasonable standard without the use of professional cleaning equipment?
No they cannot.

According to you, but not according to the law and the TT.

Can I stipulate on my T/As, a tenant cannot use a Rug Doctor? Yes. But if they choose to do so then the risk factor and quality of cleaning will be their own responsibility, and if the job is poorly done, then they face a bill for a professional cleaning carpet service.

More lies, you've admitted time and time again that your tenants will face a bill to get the carpets professionally cleaned regardless....stop lying


Please stop with your tedious repetition of the same old lies. The truth has been shown ad nauseum how about we leave it on a quote from the TT

The case was not resolved until June when the tribunal sided with Hannifin and told the landlord to repay the bond plus a filing fee. "The landlord has not satisfied me that the tenant failed to leave the lounge carpet reasonably clean. She was not required to leave the carpet in a state where the premises could be immediately rented again. Landlords must expect to have to do some cleaning between tenancies," its judgement said.

Cheers
Spaceman

[mrsaneperson]

You have little reasoning power to work things out sensibly ��.

My tenants get a clean carpet when they arrive and it is expected to be clean at the end. No problems, no complaints so far. The law is absent in determining how to clean carpets properly but anyone in the trade of carpet cleaning will tell you it requires special equipment and knowledge to do it right. You are welcome to have dirty carpets in your properties , but i wont lower my standards to make you happy.. Socialist Marxism might be at heart as it appears you want to destroy any fairness and reasonableness within the system. In citing the judgment example it indicates that.

Regarding the example of the above judgment you referred to. Adjudicators get it wrong sometimes , their are many variances of judgments within the system. Personally i think that is an unfair ruling and does nothing but coach tenants towards irresponsibility. Its sad to see you would cite this as being fair. But there you go in defending it , i honestly wonder why you don't see this as self destructive.

In the end you end up making things worse for both landlord and tenant parallel to much of the new ill thought out RTA legislation brought in by Labour recently. So I'm going to bail on this discussion. In the meantime, have fun talking to yourself, spaceman

[McDuck]

Just because you...

Cheers
Spaceman[/FONT][/COLOR][/LEFT]

Probably nothing to do with it.
But if you're in the mood for nonsense talk.

Then I was thinking,
that the answer to your Fly vs Train riddle,
Was the same issue as the one at the heart of the Maxwell's Demon idea.

Good weather we're having aye.

[spaceman]

Yes Monday was a corker.... you are staggeringly incorrect about the Demon though...yes entropy is supposed to increase but the actions of the demon are causing it to decrease. No law is being broken the demon is responsible. Not only that,...but also...two aren't even vaguely similar. The demon is being demonic and the fly stops the train....totally unrelated.

cheers
Spaceman