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    As someone that has previously worked very closely with Police in the city for a number of years knows the streets and the people that populate them, as well as the property market in the area., I can vouch that unfortunately this area is exactly the kind of location which "poor ferals" already congregate, it is or was an area well known for underage Street prostitution, drug dealing and a place where low income earners and international students tended to melt in with several backpacker shirt stay accommodations, blending into the backside of K-Rd.

    I looked at buying in Queens Residence a little further down Queen Street, but decided not to because not only of the poor reputation Conrad Properties (the developer) has in my base of work in Wellington, but also because the only real physical barrier to further saturation of this type of undesirable "social" neighborhood is the multi-laned mayoral drive.

    Essentially, if you walk from Aotea Square, and take in the area, and then press "reset" in your mind at Mayoral Drive, there is a rapid decline in the quality, age and standard of businesses, a rapid decline in non-restaurant business, and a rapid increase of ultra high density, low quality land - much of which is built on hilly, leasehold land.

    To place "Life" here, is simply transporting/recreating the transient, crime infested (including gang members) population of the housing NZ apartments on Greys Ave just that little bit closer (a block, in fact) to the most iconic main street of modern New Zealand. It means the fake homeless have less distance to walk before they harass pedestrians for "any spare change" to pay for their various addictions, and criminals have a convenient place to hide out after doing what they do, and dealers have an easy to find place to run their illegal drug "mini marts" and "factories".

    Not at all impressed by this, it will further contribute to the decline of Queen Street as a place people want to be, no wonder High Street to many foreign passport holding residents is what many Kiwi residents consider Queen Street to be.

    This is a huge step backwards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chook View Post
    https://www.cmp.net.nz/portfolio/liverpool-street/ 2nd picture is best

    http://www.tmfoundation.co.nz/blog/

    No one said anything about making a loss, I am sure its still profit orientated.
    Oh it's just that it's part of a philanthropic foundation. Philanthropy involves giving money away, not making more.

    Thanks for the info on this though. Very interesting.
    Squadly dinky do!

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    Quote Originally Posted by absoluteproperty View Post
    As someone that has previously worked very closely with Police in the city for a number of years knows the streets and the people that populate them, as well as the property market in the area., I can vouch that unfortunately this area is exactly the kind of location which "poor ferals" already congregate, it is or was an area well known for underage Street prostitution, drug dealing and a place where low income earners and international students tended to melt in with several backpacker shirt stay accommodations, blending into the backside of K-Rd.

    I looked at buying in Queens Residence a little further down Queen Street, but decided not to because not only of the poor reputation Conrad Properties (the developer) has in my base of work in Wellington, but also because the only real physical barrier to further saturation of this type of undesirable "social" neighborhood is the multi-laned mayoral drive.

    Essentially, if you walk from Aotea Square, and take in the area, and then press "reset" in your mind at Mayoral Drive, there is a rapid decline in the quality, age and standard of businesses, a rapid decline in non-restaurant business, and a rapid increase of ultra high density, low quality land - much of which is built on hilly, leasehold land.

    To place "Life" here, is simply transporting/recreating the transient, crime infested (including gang members) population of the housing NZ apartments on Greys Ave just that little bit closer (a block, in fact) to the most iconic main street of modern New Zealand. It means the fake homeless have less distance to walk before they harass pedestrians for "any spare change" to pay for their various addictions, and criminals have a convenient place to hide out after doing what they do, and dealers have an easy to find place to run their illegal drug "mini marts" and "factories".

    Not at all impressed by this, it will further contribute to the decline of Queen Street as a place people want to be, no wonder High Street to many foreign passport holding residents is what many Kiwi residents consider Queen Street to be.

    This is a huge step backwards.
    I agree with everything you say.

    Trouble is, a) These sorts of initiatives can't really be stopped and b) Saying the above gets you put in the "Rich person who doesn't want to deal with people" basket.

    You know, it's a bit like the immigration debate. There isn't one, but should be one. But if you so much as mention it, you're a labelled a xenophobe.
    Squadly dinky do!

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    Over half of those on the social housing register are single adults or couples without children. Ask yourself why they meet the social housing criteria. And then ask what happens if they live in densely populated conditions.

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    For many it's either a mental health issue, or an addiction issue.

    We used to institutionalise these people. Now we 'set them free' for the community to look after.
    Squadly dinky do!


 

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