LIFE Apartments for Social Housing?

[chook]

LIFE Apartments which is an 18 level tower currently under construction by CMP construction on Liverpool street in the CBD. Philanthropist Ted Manson is the property developer who has plans to build up to 500 Social rentals in and around Auckland. These rentals will be leased to social housing provider Compass.

Is this a good idea, social housing for the poor in apartment blocks. A step forward for social housing or the introduction of slums into the CBD?

[Don't believe the Hype]

take a look at the high rise social housing developments in Melbourne Australia. You'll probably find your answer there.

quick google search and the first article i find - http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...Melbourne.html

[Courham]

take a look at the high rise social housing developments in Melbourne Australia. You'll probably find your answer there.

quick google search and the first article i find - http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...Melbourne.html

Or English tenement blocks from the 60s-70s. Epic fail is probably the best way to describe them.

Craig

[chook]

Or English tenement blocks from the 60s-70s. Epic fail is probably the best way to describe them.

Craig

This is no where near like a massive brick block of units built in the 60s in Manchester. This is a modern stylish small apartment block in Auckland CBD built in 2018. Big difference

[Don't believe the Hype]

Construction might be different - tenants behavior and attitude unchanged

[Davo36]

Ted Manson is doing this at a loss?

Is there a link to a story about this somewhere?

[chook]

https://www.cmp.net.nz/portfolio/liverpool-street/ 2nd picture is best

http://www.tmfoundation.co.nz/blog/

No one said anything about making a loss, I am sure its still profit orientated.

[PC]

The big mistake we keep making with the poor ferals is giving them free stuff.
Free money. Free houses. Free food.
All it does is perpetuate the cycle of misery.
And they only keep wanting more - it's "free" - so who wouldn't?

A job, a hand up, opportunities - would make us all a lot happier.

[Don't believe the Hype]

The big mistake we keep making with the poor ferals is giving them free stuff.
Free money. Free houses. Free food.
All it does is perpetuate the cycle of misery.
And they only keep wanting more - it's "free" - so who wouldn't?

A job, a hand up, opportunities - would make us all a lot happier.

where’s the like button?

[Davo36]

where’s the like button?

On the property investors chat group on FaceBook. Which is why it's pretty dead here at PT now.

[absoluteproperty]

As someone that has previously worked very closely with Police in the city for a number of years knows the streets and the people that populate them, as well as the property market in the area., I can vouch that unfortunately this area is exactly the kind of location which "poor ferals" already congregate, it is or was an area well known for underage Street prostitution, drug dealing and a place where low income earners and international students tended to melt in with several backpacker shirt stay accommodations, blending into the backside of K-Rd.

I looked at buying in Queens Residence a little further down Queen Street, but decided not to because not only of the poor reputation Conrad Properties (the developer) has in my base of work in Wellington, but also because the only real physical barrier to further saturation of this type of undesirable "social" neighborhood is the multi-laned mayoral drive.

Essentially, if you walk from Aotea Square, and take in the area, and then press "reset" in your mind at Mayoral Drive, there is a rapid decline in the quality, age and standard of businesses, a rapid decline in non-restaurant business, and a rapid increase of ultra high density, low quality land - much of which is built on hilly, leasehold land.

To place "Life" here, is simply transporting/recreating the transient, crime infested (including gang members) population of the housing NZ apartments on Greys Ave just that little bit closer (a block, in fact) to the most iconic main street of modern New Zealand. It means the fake homeless have less distance to walk before they harass pedestrians for "any spare change" to pay for their various addictions, and criminals have a convenient place to hide out after doing what they do, and dealers have an easy to find place to run their illegal drug "mini marts" and "factories".

Not at all impressed by this, it will further contribute to the decline of Queen Street as a place people want to be, no wonder High Street to many foreign passport holding residents is what many Kiwi residents consider Queen Street to be.

This is a huge step backwards.

[Davo36]

https://www.cmp.net.nz/portfolio/liverpool-street/ 2nd picture is best

http://www.tmfoundation.co.nz/blog/

No one said anything about making a loss, I am sure its still profit orientated.

Oh it's just that it's part of a philanthropic foundation. Philanthropy involves giving money away, not making more.

Thanks for the info on this though. Very interesting.

[Davo36]

As someone that has previously worked very closely with Police in the city for a number of years knows the streets and the people that populate them, as well as the property market in the area., I can vouch that unfortunately this area is exactly the kind of location which "poor ferals" already congregate, it is or was an area well known for underage Street prostitution, drug dealing and a place where low income earners and international students tended to melt in with several backpacker shirt stay accommodations, blending into the backside of K-Rd.

I looked at buying in Queens Residence a little further down Queen Street, but decided not to because not only of the poor reputation Conrad Properties (the developer) has in my base of work in Wellington, but also because the only real physical barrier to further saturation of this type of undesirable "social" neighborhood is the multi-laned mayoral drive.

Essentially, if you walk from Aotea Square, and take in the area, and then press "reset" in your mind at Mayoral Drive, there is a rapid decline in the quality, age and standard of businesses, a rapid decline in non-restaurant business, and a rapid increase of ultra high density, low quality land - much of which is built on hilly, leasehold land.

To place "Life" here, is simply transporting/recreating the transient, crime infested (including gang members) population of the housing NZ apartments on Greys Ave just that little bit closer (a block, in fact) to the most iconic main street of modern New Zealand. It means the fake homeless have less distance to walk before they harass pedestrians for "any spare change" to pay for their various addictions, and criminals have a convenient place to hide out after doing what they do, and dealers have an easy to find place to run their illegal drug "mini marts" and "factories".

Not at all impressed by this, it will further contribute to the decline of Queen Street as a place people want to be, no wonder High Street to many foreign passport holding residents is what many Kiwi residents consider Queen Street to be.

This is a huge step backwards.

I agree with everything you say.

Trouble is, a) These sorts of initiatives can't really be stopped and b) Saying the above gets you put in the "Rich person who doesn't want to deal with people" basket.

You know, it's a bit like the immigration debate. There isn't one, but should be one. But if you so much as mention it, you're a labelled a xenophobe.

[artemis]

Over half of those on the social housing register are single adults or couples without children. Ask yourself why they meet the social housing criteria. And then ask what happens if they live in densely populated conditions.

[Davo36]

For many it's either a mental health issue, or an addiction issue.

We used to institutionalise these people. Now we 'set them free' for the community to look after.