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Yeah agreed. And Council fees, here's our recent experience.....
Here's an interesting one - our house is originally 1950s and when built the council was the Hutt Valley - now of course it's KCDC (Kapiti).
As our property is very close to the boundary on the east side, when we applied for Building Consent for a renovation - we were originally told we needed to complete a 'deemed consent' application for our existing house due to being close to the boundary.
We did that, and then we were told that's not valid as it only applies if the neighbour is another residential property. Our neighbour is a park (yep - the Council) so guess what - we have to go through Resource Consent. Of course this incurs higher fees.
I say never be amazed at what you may be up for when it comes to anything to do with property and the council. I guess they're just going through the process as they know it - but it's no wonder there are so many properties without CCC and the whole process of renovating or building new is a huge put off.
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Originally posted by donna View PostYeah agreed. And Council fees, here's our recent experience.....
Here's an interesting one - our house is originally 1950s and when built the council was the Hutt Valley - now of course it's KCDC (Kapiti).
As our property is very close to the boundary on the east side, when we applied for Building Consent for a renovation - we were originally told we needed to complete a 'deemed consent' application for our existing house due to being close to the boundary.
We did that, and then we were told that's not valid as it only applies if the neighbour is another residential property. Our neighbour is a park (yep - the Council) so guess what - we have to go through Resource Consent. Of course this incurs higher fees.
I say never be amazed at what you may be up for when it comes to anything to do with property and the council. I guess they're just going through the process as they know it - but it's no wonder there are so many properties without CCC and the whole process of renovating or building new is a huge put off.
cheers,
DonnaSquadly dinky do!
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Its not just Council fees, its also the inordinate delays.
Each day of delay costs - interest, insurance, rates and so on.
Which, of courtse, eventually goes on to the final price.
However, most do not accept the. They say "the developer will pay . . ." (just like so many also say "the landlord will pay").
Totally unable to accept that the developer (and he landlord) are just the middlemen in the deal, and all costs get passed on.
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Originally posted by jimO View Postgo to your local hardware store and buy a bit of 4x2..........NZ is covered in pine trees why is wood so expensive
$4 for 6'
bunnings
$14 for 6'
a lot of that difference is
- higher GST here
- higher costs of employing staff
- lower staff productivity here
- less efficient companies
- less competition in the market place
- less bulk buying by retailers
bunnings can hardly bargain with nz forest products by telling them they'll instead buy from siberian or canadian mills
as they just aren't set up for the logistics
in japan cheap construction wood is called SPF
meaning; spruce, pine, fir
could come from; siberia, nz or canada
once cut you can't really tell the differenceLast edited by eri; 15-09-2018, 09:33 AM.have you defeated them?
your demons
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Originally posted by eri View Postoranges with oranges
not good enough?
mitre 10, placemakers etc seem to have much the same price for cut pine in nz
cainz, musashi, watahan etc have much the same price for cut pine in japan
I don't know how it works in Japan.
I agree with your general thrust though - NZ timber should be cheapest in NZ (but probably isn't), after all it must have less transport costs.
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builders in japan don't buy from home hardware either
home hardware was used for this comparison because their real-time prices
can be easily googled by anyone, compared + presented
building supply companies generally don't run websites showing their prices
but like the big mac index
we can surmise a lot from published retail priceshave you defeated them?
your demons
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They may be able to get in under $650k house and land package using their own land. Son advised me over the weekend that HNZ paid in excess of $900k for a neighbouring house situated amongst HNZ properties so that they had 6 properties in a row. Demolish and rebuild as all are zoned 3 unit sites under Unitary plan. Not sure how many houses on 6 sites, maybe more with Resource consent?
The thought of at least 18 new HNZ families in close proximity has him and his wife seriously considering their options about staying in their newly renovated home.
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Originally posted by eri View Postbuilders in japan don't buy from home hardware either
home hardware was used for this comparison because their real-time prices
can be easily googled by anyone, compared + presented
building supply companies generally don't run websites showing their prices
but like the big mac index
we can surmise a lot from published retail prices
I know with the last house I built I was paying around 20% of the Bunnings price for 4x2 via ITM.
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the suggestion was made that maybe 'trade' places were cheaper than the home-hardware places
certainly dysart ITM in glen innes look the part
loose metal, open air site with their pink 2 x 4 stacked in an open warehouse and only a few guys in forklifts to be seen
unfortunately
popping in to the office proved them the most expensive so far
at $7.10 mtr, + gst
meaning 6' would cost $14.86have you defeated them?
your demons
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