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  1. #11

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    Quote Originally Posted by Davo36 View Post
    DBTH, did you make the Red Cross aware of this?

    And where have these people gone? Can you publicise their names etc. so other landlords don't get caught out?
    The Red Cross notified my PM so they’re well aware. They called him then when pushed claimed they were simply a support agency so had no liability.

    As I look into this further, There was a blocked toilet caused by foreign objects having been put down the toilet which snagged in the pipe where the PVC joined the terracotta pipe. This then got compounded by non degrading material - looks like cut up t-shirts which I guess were being used as toilet paper which created a full blockage.

    I don’t think there was intent to damage rather more along the lines of Chourham’s observations, these people don’t know how to use western houses and don’t have any regard for nice things having never lived in anything but squalor. When the toilet overflowed they simply got on with scooping out crap �� and carting it to the bath to dispose of - no thought of calling the PM or their support agency. The bath waste heads to the same place as the toilet so guess what... now we have sewage leaking into the lower level ceiling cavity and walked through the house new carpet etc.

    as for training on how to live in NZ we were assured by the immigration department that these folk had been through a full onboarding on how to live in NZ - certified in writing - ahhh big fail there.

    Should we name them... probably not, my beef is not the tenants - I just don’t think they know how to live in a normal house.

    Helping other LL avoid the same issue - that is what this post is about. I’m pissed that the govt department and the Red Cross have taken no responsibility for this. They effectively leave the risk with the private landlord trying to support their project. Based on that my advice is to NOT support this program. Let them House them in state houses and then the RC or the Social Housing Providers will have to carry the risk.

  2. #12
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    Quote Originally Posted by Don't believe the Hype View Post
    The Red Cross notified my PM so they’re well aware. They called him then when pushed claimed they were simply a support agency so had no liability.

    As I look into this further, There was a blocked toilet caused by foreign objects having been put down the toilet which snagged in the pipe where the PVC joined the terracotta pipe. This then got compounded by non degrading material - looks like cut up t-shirts which I guess were being used as toilet paper which created a full blockage.

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    Helping other LL avoid the same issue - that is what this post is about. I’m pissed that the govt department and the Red Cross have taken no responsibility for this. They effectively leave the risk with the private landlord trying to support their project. Based on that my advice is to NOT support this program. Let them House them in state houses and then the RC or the Social Housing Providers will have to carry the risk.
    Have you ever had the gov't take responsibility for anything? We bring in refugees (which I agree with BTW) and they're entitled to a total of 6 weeks English language provision and are supposed to be able to function in an English speaking society after that...yeah right! You trying learning enough of a language to get by in 6 weeks. Not only that but they have been potetnally living in a refugee camp with minimal facilities for years!

    NGOs aren't going to open themselves up to potentiality expensive repair bills by guaranteeing behaviour of refugee/migrant tenants, its just not going to happen unfortunately. So, I guess only answer is for housing NZ to take care of housing them and we all pay! But HNZ can't house the NZ poor let alone migrats/refugees.

    As for the stuff down the toilet. The ripped up t shirts does sound like using them for toilet paper. We had a similar problem here where I work the other day with one of the new students from the outer islands (way, way out in the middle of the Pacific) blocking up one of the toilets in the dormitories by putting something down it that shouldn't have been (a harpic toilet cleaner bottle) simply through ignorance and not realising only toilet paper gets flushed.

    A few weeks back we had an issue with some of the new students peeing in the stair wells (they board on site 24/7) again as they weren't used to using toilet facilities. Our tutors spend a lot of time getting the accustomed to living on site but even so we still have the odd issue to deal with.

    Craig
    Volunteering on South Tarawa, Kiribati

  3. #13
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    Home providers are not a charity.
    Wouldn't be paying so much tax if we were.
    If the tenant doesn't pass all the tests - send them on.
    Better to leave a house empty than get a bad tenant.
    Wouldn't be the case if the tenancy laws were more sensible & balanced - but unfortunately that's the B.S. we have to work around to survive.
    The three most harmful addictions are heroin, carbohydrates and a monthly salary - Fred Wilson.

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    I have had several WINZ mental health clients with 'slight disabilities' in the past. All came with caregivers and water tight assurances everything would be fine. All through my professional PM keeping an eye on things.

    The water tight assurances from WINZ and the care givers were similar to filling an onion bag with water! The tenants attracted every other homeless criminal possible to the property with the eventual outcome of myself terminating the tenancy and having to clean up the trashed filthy property afterward. I found the caregivers were hamstrung, I mean how are they meant to keep an eye on these people 100% of the time, other than moving in with them!
    I have heard stories about the refugees, and understand other countries who imported lots of them are having nightmares dealing with the rise in street gangs and crime.
    Sorry to all bleeding hearts but My advice is; DONT GO THERE! no matter what guarantees they give you.

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    Sounds like you have been up a certain creek lately. Flushable wipes look like cut t-shirts when pulled out.
    https://www.dropbox.com/s/7qnj6f5eb9...8502b.jpg?dl=0

    I added this to my template recently after I had a contractor spend six hours clearing a blockage caused by flushable wipes.

    "The tenants will not flush any sanitary products or flushable wipes down the toilet. Only toilet paper is permitted to be disposed of down the toilet.
    ... Property Management Limited will apply to the Tenancy Tribunal for any costs associated with clearing any blockage caused by items other than toilet paper."

    In our case sewerage discharge flowed from the gully trap out onto the drive so I am surprised this didn't happen in your case as well if the blockage was somewhere on the way from the house to the main sewer. From what I have seen it seems fairly common for such blockages to occur when old pipes are connected to PVC with a Fernco coupling and anything other than toilet paper is regularly flushed down. Flushable wipes are definitely not flushable despite the advertising claims and cause havoc in pipes and at the treatment plant. Also many modern toilets flush less water down which doesn't help.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatberg




    Last edited by Lighthouse; 24-08-2018 at 12:39 AM.

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    You’re right about the flow should have come out of the gully. Need to ask the plumber about that...

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    What country were the refugees from? Sorry to hear of your predicament , i think its symptomatic of a blindsided socialist govt , they are not vetting these people.

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    They’re South American...but i’m Not sure that’s relevant. The issue is not being trained on living in a western style house mixed with not maintaining properties to the standard you or I would expect.

    When their used to living in a refugee camp in relative squalor they’re not going to be taking their shoes off at the door to keep the new carpet clean or clean the toilets/bathroom a couple of times a week.

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    Of course its relevant it helps us stereotype those countries to avoid ...I have seen the stinkiest living conditions one could imagine when i saw hundreds of families living in a rubbish dump in the Philippines, yet those same families atill managed to churn out their children each morning for school wearing clean pressed garments. So being a refugee from squalid conditions does not mean they don't understand about universal cleanliness ; if they messed your house up that is more a reflection on those people as individuals .

    Incidentally i didn't think NZ was taking any refugees from Latin American countries?
    Last edited by mrsaneperson; 26-08-2018 at 12:28 AM.


 

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