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David Seymour voices what we always thought the well to do class believed
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I don't think it works in the long run. Look at Weymouth they have tried it their by integrating HNZ and rent to buy subsidized purchases in with private owners ,the crime has shot up and a drive through presents the image of flash new houses with scrappy cars and long haired Rastafarians mowing their lawns side to side with the conservative gentry. Almost bought a property near to that , until i did the drive through that is.
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Originally posted by mrsaneperson View PostI don't think it works in the long run. Look at Weymouth they have tried it their by integrating HNZ and rent to buy subsidized purchases in with private owners ,the crime has shot up and a drive through presents the image of flash new houses with scrappy cars and long haired Rastafarians mowing their lawns side to side with the conservative gentry. Almost bought a property near to that , until i did the drive through that is.
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Originally posted by Meehole View PostUnfortunately that's the future of our country, especially under a socialist Govt. Equality for them is about bringing the haves down to the level of the have nots instead of the have nots aspiring to be haves.
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I'm completely perplexed. Hobsonville Point is an example of whereby the Govt has invested in social housing placed amongst private home owners purely with the intention of enabling the have nots to aspire as opposed to lumping all state houses in one area and it potentially turning into a bit of a dive. They don't start out as ghettos, they become ghettos because of the quality of the tenants being placed into them.
We do a bit of work on HNZ repairs along with Tamaki Regeneration and there are some great tenants who look after their homes really well, in saying that there are more that treat the houses without due care and consideration. No Perry it doesn't happen in pensioner housing areas as the oldies have pride and look after their places. Many of the HNZ tenants today have only ever known a state house and have no idea what is required to maintain or look after it. The expectations are not there from HNZ property or asset managers either.
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Originally posted by Perry View PostQuestion: why does some sort of common area collective housing arrangement for lower socio-economic people have to be (or become) a ghetto?
Does that happen in pensioner housing areas?
I used the term ghetto as it seemed to me that was the implied implication of housing the 'poorer' people.
Hopefully the poorer people will learn how to live properly in a community if put with others who care for a community.
I don't, actually, hold out a lot of hope really. I've never really understood why it is that poorer areas look poor (unkept sections etc) - what is it about not having a lot of money means you can't look after a place?
That's a bit of a generalisation I know but ...
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Originally posted by Meehole View Postthey become ghettos because of the quality of the tenants being placed into them.
We do a bit of work on HNZ repairs along with Tamaki Regeneration and there are some great tenants who look after their homes really well, in saying that there are more that treat the houses without due care and consideration. No Perry it doesn't happen in pensioner housing areas as the oldies have pride and look after their places. Many of the HNZ tenants today have only ever known a state house and have no idea what is required to maintain or look after it. The expectations are not there from HNZ property or asset managers either.
Though it isn't only renters who don't know how to care for a place. I have seen plenty of PPORs which run down when 'certain people' occupy them (continually amazes me).
The last bit (the expectations) is a little sad really and I wonder why that it. If they spent a little time sorting the issues before they become problems we might all be better off.
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Too many chiefs and not enough indians in Govt depts. We have a Housing Minister who doesn't know the handle from the claw on a hammer and a Minister of Building & Construction Jenny Salesa who bio reads "Before entering Parliament, Jenny was Principal Advisor (Pacific) at the Tertiary Education Commission. She graduated from the University of Auckland with a BA/LLB in 1996 and has had 20 years’ experience working in policy and funding, having worked as a health specialist and as a senior official in the Health and Education sectors.Jenny also spent time living and working in America implementing and spreading to other cities an evidence-based health initiative developed in Michigan"
As she confirmed at the Kiwibuild expo, her focus is on getting apprentices into the construction sector and this will be by way of 'Dole for apprenticeships". That is the extent of her knowledge relative to house construction.
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Originally posted by Wayne View PostThat's a bit of a generalisation I know but ...
I lived in a state house for many years. I laid the lawns (and mowed them!); I planted citrus trees; I put in a vege garden; I watered and clipped the hedges (contractor-installed @ SAC/HNZ expense); I carpeted the floors as I could afford to, etc. I had an ordinary job and did not regard appreciating and valuing what I was renting (at less-than-market-rates) as a burden.
Some people can be helped - some people can't help it.
That's just the way it is.
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There's no need for some people to become a Have, because there is no motivation.
If someone was told they can have a statehouse for 5 years max, and then they go to the bottom of the list, do you think they might start to pull finger once time starts to run out? No time frame, no worries - house for life.
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Do you realise that many of the state occupants these days are immigrants, maoris and islanders (2nd and 3rd generation) and people with mental health issues. There's the odd 70 -80 year old living alone in a 3 bedder on a full site on her own who has been there for 50 plus years paying $65 week. Families that need the houses can't get them as they are chokka with groups I have just mentioned.
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Originally posted by Meehole View PostDo you realise that many of the state occupants these days are immigrants, maoris and islanders (2nd and 3rd generation) and people with mental health issues. There's the odd 70 -80 year old living alone in a 3 bedder on a full site on her own who has been there for 50 plus years paying $65 week. Families that need the houses can't get them as they are chokka with groups I have just mentioned.
Or am I giving people to much credit for their potential?
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Originally posted by Sportsvee View PostAll of whom are more than capable of improving their own, or their families situation. They just need motivation.
Or am I giving people to much credit for their potential?
It's not always the tenants fault. I am still haunted by a property in South Akld I looked at for sale which housed an extended island family. The hot water cylinder had been removed (was originally in the kitchen and think it pooped itself) there was an empty space where the unit had been removed and the cupboard taken out.
In the bathroom the ceiling was black with mould and in the bedrooms they were also black with mould and water/condensation was evident on the walls.
The tenants hadn't complained to their indian landlord for fear they would get evicted.
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if you didn't want to live in a street with state houses before
you REALLY don't want to now
labour's new zero-eviction policy
means HNZ can not evict tenants for much less than murder
+ now the threat of eviction is removed
any bets of whether their behaviour get better
or worse?
https://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/loc...land-residents
and of course
the tenants collective?
want the similar rights rolled-out
for private rentals
how much damage can 1 minority gov. do
in a single term?
Last edited by eri; 13-07-2018, 09:16 PM.have you defeated them?
your demons
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