David Seymour voices what we always thought the well to do class believed

[PTWhatAGreatForum]

Dispute over proposed Epsom complex boils over

A stoush over a proposed Housing New Zealand complex in an upmarket Auckland suburb shows no sign of being resolved, with the Epsom MP doubling down on his contentious remarks.

ACT Party leader David Seymour sent a letter to locals last week with a line warning that some of the future tenants would have social and mental health issues.
"There is also a chance that some of the future residents will have social and mental health issues who will need to have special support measures in place," the letter read.

http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/358055/dispute-over-proposed-epsom-complex-boils-over

Wow, an honest politician who represents his constituents prejudices.

[Don't believe the Hype]

We do a lot of our work in Eastern Porirua and the good folk in private tenancies don't want HNZ tenancies as their neighbors either. HNZ do nothing to control the behaviour of their tenants. They don't care if these tenants menace or intimidate neighbors

[PTWhatAGreatForum]

We do a lot of our work in Eastern Porirua and the good folk in private tenancies don't want HNZ tenancies as their neighbors either. HNZ do nothing to control the behaviour of their tenants. They don't care if these tenants menace or intimidate neighbors

Because creating a larger entrenched underclass won't cause more problems - according to the landed gentry's narrow view of the world.

This is the crux of the message I have stuck to in the 5 years I have been here (wow, where did that time go?) but as of late have been more content to leave nature to take it's course and let them work it out for themselves.

The "mega prison" is off the cards so they won't be locking up the insurrection.

Now the upper-classes are in raw fear the proletariat is coming into their back yard. They think it's all a great laugh to profit off the problems they contribute to until it catches up with them.

[Perry]

Now the upper-classes are in raw fear the proletariat is coming into their back yard. They think it's all a great laugh to profit off the problems they contribute to until it catches up with them.

Interesting perspective. Similar point of view expressed, here, perhaps?

Down in little old NZ things are currently looking fairly rosy, but if you look at almost all of our corrections/crashes, these have been due to exogenous (offshore) events. The bubble may persist in the short-term but expect to see significant collateral damage in the medium to long-term. If for some reason it doesn't pop then expect to see significant political upheaval, class warfare.

[PTWhatAGreatForum]

Interesting perspective. Similar point of view expressed, here, perhaps?

That is exactly what I think will happen.

Class warfare is bad for society and bad for business.

Cost of housing is a major issue. Here's the other:
http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/money/...rt-expert.html

Most other things are a consequence of the above.

[Meehole]

I agree with the comment about HNZ as a landlord, they are useless as they have no control over their properties or the occupants. Since the mental institutions were closed down the patients are now housed in HNZ properties.

[PTWhatAGreatForum]

Since the mental institutions were closed down the patients are now housed in HNZ properties.

They were closed down for good reasons. The "good reasons" are as many as the people who have been paid compensation under this-

https://www.msd.govt.nz/about-msd-and-our-work/contact-us/complaints/cyf-historic-claims.html

and the lesser known-

http://newzealandchildabuse.com/msd-contemporary-claims-process-1993-2007/

[Meehole]

I'm talking about times earlier than that, when I was a teenager in the 70's I had a friend ended up in Sunnyside in ChCh. Whilst hers wasn't anything serious and her stay was short it wasn't a bad place to be. Trained psych nurses and specialists, mental illness is no different to a physical illness so why not have patients in together?
My sons place is surrounded by HNZ properties and it is an eye opener walking the german shepherd around there.

[Davo36]

Michael I agree the abuse was horrific. And covered up. And the bastards who did it should have their balls chopped off.

BUT: That wasn't the only reason they were closed and I don't think they ALL should have been set free. Some would have actually had better off lives in the homes/institutions.

Like if you think about it, how is them sleeping in doorways in the middle of winter in their own piss a good life? Couldn't they be in a warm place, with hot food/drinks and people to look after them?

[PTWhatAGreatForum]

BUT: That wasn't the only reason they were closed and I don't think they ALL should have been set free. Some would have actually had better off lives in the homes/institutions.

Who's to say any of them would live in said flats?

I know it's hard to believe, but there are literally people out there who are motivated by fear of the unknown, prejudice and a desire to keep their neighbourhoods cleansed of anyone they view as beneath them.

And these sorts are not all landed gentry either. Some of them merely wish they were.

When you are down on your luck the people most likely to help out are those who are not poor and stingy or rich and even more stingy.

[Davo36]

Who's to say any of them would live in said flats?

When I said homes/institutions, I mean ones you can leave and ones you can't.

There are some people who need to be in there permanently.

When you are down on your luck the people most likely to help out are those who are not poor and stingy or rich and even more stingy.

I agree, but the people I'm talking about aren't just down on their luck, they're mentally ill and incapable -for the time being - of looking after themselves.

[PTWhatAGreatForum]

I agree, but the people I'm talking about aren't just down on their luck, they're mentally ill and incapable -for the time being - of looking after themselves.

In the context of this thread, David Seymour is using his constituents fear and prejudices to push for a cleanesd neighbourhood. That's how it looks to me.

When I leased commercial space I would give food to and chat with people sleeping around the back and leave them there. It was both a decent thing to do and a calculated ploy on my part. I was never proven wrong.

PS: The link to your blog is down-

bash-4.4$ ping www.duganotherhole.com
ping: unknown host www.duganotherhole.com
bash-4.4$

bash-4.4$ nslookup www.duganotherhole.com
;; Got SERVFAIL reply from 203.114.128.2, trying next server
;; Got SERVFAIL reply from 203.114.168.2, trying next server
Server: 2001:4860:4860::8844
Address: 2001:4860:4860::8844#53

** server can't find www.duganotherhole.com: SERVFAIL

bash-4.4$

[Meehole]

I think David Seymours constituents are big boys and girls now and wear big boys and girls pants so quite capable of forming their own conclusions. Many are too busy just going about everyday things to be fully aware of what is happening in the neighbourhood and I consider those in Epsom lucky to have someone like him who keeps them informed.
As for cleansed, well really! Cleansed of what? As for the homeless nobody asks them to stay in the city, in fact why not move to the provinces, the smaller towns? Auckland is just one big melting pot now and if you're going to be down and out why be a beautiful place like Gisborne or Whakatane?

[Davo36]

In the context of this thread, David Seymour is using his constituents fear and prejudices to push for a cleanesd neighbourhood. That's how it looks to me.

When I leased commercial space I would give food to and chat with people sleeping around the back and leave them there. It was both a decent thing to do and a calculated ploy on my part. I was never proven wrong.

PS: The link to your blog is down-

bash-4.4$ ping www.duganotherhole.com
ping: unknown host www.duganotherhole.com
bash-4.4$

bash-4.4$ nslookup www.duganotherhole.com
;; Got SERVFAIL reply from 203.114.128.2, trying next server
;; Got SERVFAIL reply from 203.114.168.2, trying next server
Server: 2001:4860:4860::8844
Address: 2001:4860:4860::8844#53

** server can't find www.duganotherhole.com: SERVFAIL

bash-4.4$

TY, took blog down. Sick of paying the yearly fee and wasn't using it.

[mrsaneperson]

I'm talking about times earlier than that, when I was a teenager in the 70's I had a friend ended up in Sunnyside in ChCh. Whilst hers wasn't anything serious and her stay was short it wasn't a bad place to be. Trained psych nurses and specialists, mental illness is no different to a physical illness so why not have patients in together?
My sons place is surrounded by HNZ properties and it is an eye opener walking the german shepherd around there.

I guess some mental illnesses can cause physical ailments but saying they are "no different" is wrong.

Nobody wants HNZ in their neighbourhood, Epsom residents are just proving they are like everyone else. The locality has more money and influence to prevent it compared to other neighborhoods.