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    Quote Originally Posted by eri View Post
    not esp. happy about it

    but afaik if they were smoking it would be very, very hard for you to kick them out for that

    quiet enjoyment and all that

    so the fact they're vaping is a plus, compared to smoking
    Even if its written in the TA which clearly states ""no smoking inside"" and vaping is a form of smoking?

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    Add the ban on alternatives to future TAs.

    I wont rent to smokers, at all.

    Despite signing a Statutory Declaration that they are non-smokers, my experiences with smokers is that they are liars when it comes to residential rental accommodation and will smoke clandestinely until I find out. They then get a notice of end-of-tenancy.

    That's happen a few times, even though I look at their fingers, check if there's a whiff of smoke about their clothes, glance at their car, etc.
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    Yes its a good idea to add vaping & e-cigs to the clauses ; effectively though they are still a form of smoking and it should go without saying.
    But I'm finding their disrespectful stance and disregard to the warning given the most unsettling as its not a good early indication on how they are as tenants.

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    Makes sense.

    If the 'relationship' is disrespectful, early on, bring it to an end as soon as reasonably possible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mrsaneperson View Post
    Somehow I'm supposed to understand this is not actually smoking?
    I'm with the tenant on this.
    Vaping isn't smoking.
    It's a new thing which is better for smokers than smoking (if that makes sense).
    No idea if it damages a property - probably not is my current understanding.
    You should identify exactly what damage it does.
    Once you have established that it does cause damage then talk to the TT and see if they agree that smoking and vaping are both covered by the 'no smoking' clause.
    Take it from there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Kane View Post
    I'm with the tenant on this.
    Vaping isn't smoking.
    It's a new thing which is better for smokers than smoking (if that makes sense).
    No idea if it damages a property - probably not is my current understanding.
    You should identify exactly what damage it does.
    Once you have established that it does cause damage then talk to the TT and see if they agree that smoking and vaping are both covered by the 'no smoking' clause.
    Take it from there.
    So I take it you'd be fine with vaping going on in your rentals?

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    What damage will vaping do to my rentals?
    At this stage you have provided no evidence that vaping causes damage.
    If vaping causes damage then I might support you but you are appearing to be over-excited over a non-event.
    For what it's worth, one of my tenants does vape (is that the term?) in that rental.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrsaneperson View Post
    The neighbour tells me their is always a smell of burnt toast coming from the house since they moved in.
    so they are vaping and burning toast

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    Vaping is very different to smoking, as no combustion takes place. More like steam than smoke. In my view the tenant is being responsible for their health. Given they possibly have a nicotine addiction. I'm not sure why you'd be concerned with vaping.

  10. #20

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    Vaping is still very much in its infancy and the harmful effects are not really known.

    One expert said that if a child swallows as little as 2ml of the vape juice they can die within 20minutes.

    The principal ingredient of the vape juice is polyethylene glycol which is what is used in anti-freeze and fog machines. That stuff is not something i would like to be sucking up into my mouth and breathing out, furthermore their is a residue , a light one at that and one reason why fog machines should never be aimed at electronics appliances.


 

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