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  1. #51
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigWal_v2 View Post
    And finally, items 1 and 2 don't apply if it's impractical to install insulation.
    I do not want to be responsible for any further head-doing-in, but what circumstances would be encompassed by "impractical" and who gets to define that?
    With all the Draconian new laws for residential rental LLs, perhaps AirBnB would be better? To avoid any hassle in Hawke's Bay, consult Be My Hostess. Want a great looking concrete swimming pool in Hawke's Bay? Designer Pools will do the job for you!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Perry View Post
    I do not want to be responsible for any further head-doing-in, but what circumstances would be encompassed by "impractical" and who gets to define that?
    Does "reasonably clean and tidy" sound familiar?

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    Uncomfortably so.
    With all the Draconian new laws for residential rental LLs, perhaps AirBnB would be better? To avoid any hassle in Hawke's Bay, consult Be My Hostess. Want a great looking concrete swimming pool in Hawke's Bay? Designer Pools will do the job for you!

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    Regarding the phrase 'impractical' - there's this page here .

    Couple of phrases from that website seem to stand out.

    Installing insulation is not considered 'reasonably practicable' when an an experienced professional insulation installer:

    • Can't access the location to install insulation without removing any cladding or lining, carrying out other substantial building work, or causing substantial damage to the property
    It then goes on to say:

    If a landlord is in any doubt (my emphasis) whether insulation can be installed in their rental property, they should consult an experienced professional insulation installer and, if needed, a builder.
    So you can state (depending on your situation - e.g. none of the following applies to any area easily accessible to you like an attic ) that you are in no doubt that insulation cannot be installed in any inaccessible areas of the ceiling in your rental property since:

    • Any installation of additional insulation to inaccessible areas of your ceiling would not be "reasonably practicable ... [since] removal of 'cladding or lining' would be required"
    • And, since you are in no doubt that insulation cannot be installed on your rental property, you do not have to consult an experienced professional insulation installer and, if needed, a builder.


    How's that, Margaret from Vanuatu?


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    So if I board up my loft hatch I'm exempt from the legislation?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Learning View Post
    So if I board up my loft hatch I'm exempt from the legislation?
    Gib over it to look like ordinary ceiling and you're good

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    I'm about to rent out my 4 year old apartment, which I believe is exempt as has apartments above and below. Is there particular wording I can/should use please?
    I've looked at the template on tenancy services website but doesn't seem appropriate to use that.
    Can anyone advise wording to use so I can just type it up myself?
    Thank you

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    I believe this property is exempt due to there being no space available to put insulation in the ceiling and floor.

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    i put something like

    "exempt from the ceiling insulation requirement due to another apartment above"

    "exempt from the floor insulation requirement due to another apartment below"

    points for style if find the relevant exemption and quote it

    "as per.................exempt from new tenancy insulation requirements"
    have you defeated them?
    your demons

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    It piques me that LL have to incur a cost to get the R-value and that form completed (which depending on who you use to do it could be just looking to do you for 'insulation top up). A PM I use has said I can complete the form but be aware if it's incorrect I could face a $4000 fine - umm that has me running scared.

    The whole installation thing has been a bit of a rort - with many of us and the Govt being ripped off along the way. In my own experience I was quoted from 1.8K up to 7K for one property. Then I got an honest chap who said no top up was needed and he signed off the certificate.

    cheers,

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