If the Greens were against tanalizing for internal wood framing that is very much the cause since if the wood was tanalized it wouldn't have trotted.
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Originally posted by mrsaneperson View PostIf the Greens were against tanalizing for internal wood framing that is very much the cause since if the wood was tanalized it wouldn't have trotted.
You start from the wrong base point.
Without debating the leaky home cause all over again I own a house (brick) with untreated Rimu framing. 60+ years old and fine.
I built a house in '92 with untreated Rimu (not heart rimu either), bottom is stone (with cavity) and top is HardieTex, and still going fine.
The timber isn't the only part of the equation.
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Originally posted by Wayne View PostBut prior to the use of UTKD timber house framing was Boric treated (which the Greens didn't oppose) not tanalised so it made no difference that they opposed tanalising.
You start from the wrong base point.
Without debating the leaky home cause all over again I own a house (brick) with untreated Rimu framing. 60+ years old and fine.
I built a house in '92 with untreated Rimu (not heart rimu either), bottom is stone (with cavity) and top is HardieTex, and still going fine.
The timber isn't the only part of the equation.
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Originally posted by mrsaneperson View PostBut tanalizing gives that extra layer of protection should something occur whereby water ingress permeates the wall cavity.Greens essentially aided the leaky home situation by opposing it.
The old villas did not have tanalised timber and many of those do not suffer from rotting. Even the timber piles that have been sitting ON the ground for 80 - 100 years are only just showing signs of rot today.
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Originally posted by mrsaneperson View PostBut tanalizing gives that extra layer of protection should something occur whereby water ingress permeates the wall cavity.Greens essentially aided the leaky home situation by opposing it.
There wasn't a call to use tanalised timber for house framing (at the time) as people were happy with the Boric treated timber.
1+1 does not equal 3.
You are trying to join two separate things together.
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Originally posted by Meehole View PostThe problem was and still is, water ingress fullstop. If there was no water ingress there would be no rotting untanalised timbers. The water gets in between the cladding and the framing somehow and is assisted by the now required building cavity! Direct fix, no water ingress via a cavity. If there is water ingress, probably come from internal gutters, no window flashings to name a few.
The old villas did not have tanalised timber and many of those do not suffer from rotting. Even the timber piles that have been sitting ON the ground for 80 - 100 years are only just showing signs of rot today.
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Originally posted by mrsaneperson View PostToo simplistic to view it like that. In essence if tanalized wood had been used internally then all the framing would not need to have been replaced as it would not have rotted. By far that is essentially the biggest cost factor of the leaky building scenario.
I repeat, the old villas in central Auckland were not built using treated timber and they don't leak.
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You cannot have a leaky home then can you as it doesn't leak
Have you ever see rotting timber in cavities? I have had my own enclosed deck situation at home where untreated timber was used , water got in and made mincemeat of it. However if tanalized wood had been used i would not have needed to replace the rotting timber. Its that simple!
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Originally posted by mrsaneperson View PostYou cannot have a leaky home then can you as it doesn't leak
Have you ever see rotting timber in cavities? I have had my own enclosed deck situation at home where untreated timber was used , water got in and made mincemeat of it. However if tanalized wood had been used i would not have needed to replace the rotting timber. Its that simple!
An enclosed deck is asking for trouble. Plenty of other factors to consider why there is an issue, flashings, how its connected to the exterior, guttering, the list goes on. Sounds like diyer or cowboy builder was let loose on your deck.
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Originally posted by Perry View Post
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Attn: PT forumites.
The matter of leaky homes, timber treatment, etc., is way off-topic.
I.e. Off the matter of P.
If someone wants to start a new thread on the matter: go for it.
For now . . .
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