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    Default Submission on smoke alarm & insulation bill closing very soon ! Last day is 27.1.16

    To make an online submission on the new RTA amendment bill on smoke alarms and insulation law requirements please go to :

    https://www.parliament.nz/en-nz/ECommitteeSubmission/ac05da83-4547-4242-9589-a56a00bd2185/CreateSubmission


    Have your say !!

    The bill calls for mandatory requirements of smoke alarms and their number and specific insulation factor requirements on all rental properties.
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    Thanks for notifying us
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    I attended the Select Committee public hearing today, and will post a summary shortly. Bottom line - all oral submitters are really happy to spend Other People's Money. Nobody seemed to realise that it's the tenants who will be paying.

    Meantime, until 11 pm tomorrow 11 Feb you can still make a submission on the (mostly rubbish) MBIE discussion paper here:

    http://www.mbie.govt.nz/info-service...d-smoke-alarms

    If you'd like a copy of my submission which has gone to the Select Committee and also to MBIE please PM me your email address. It's a Word document.

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    Good work.

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    Following on from previous post, here is a summary of the people who spoke to their submissions. (I didn't but should have, as nobody spoke from the landlord's POV.) Surprising that most submitters went well beyond the clauses in the Bill. What's that about? Surely they don't think there are going to be major changes at this stage in proceedings? The only ones that stuck to the topic were the insulation guys.

    1. Citizens Advice Bureau. POV - tenants. Want mandatory fixed heating. Want more that $500 exemplary damages for landlords who fail to disclose correct state of insulation in tenancy agreements but did not have an opinion on amount. Want a neutral party to determine if insulation as stated in the tA is correct. The submitter did say that insulation on its own won't heat a property. Re MBIE CEO being able to take action, they want the words 'significant and serious' removed. Want stricter guidelines on retaliatory notice. (The chair did point out this was already in the Bill.) They want all notices of termination to be 90 days as 42 days in some situations is too confusing.

    2. Building Industry Federation. POV - insulation suppliers and installers (aka $$$). Said there are 270,000 rentals with insufficient insulation. Want incentives to start much earlier as industry won't cope if everyone wants insulation installed in 2019. (We know what happens when demand exceeds supply ....). Want an approved provider to certify all DIY installations, with liability passing to the certifier. (Did I mention $$$?) Much of their oral submission was about how dangerous foil under floor insulation is, and though it is by far the cheapest option they think only medium-high density bulk insulation should be allowed. They didn't say if they supply and install foil ....

    3. NZ University Students Association. POV - students. Mould and cold in rentals make them sick. Want ventilation added to the Bill, not opening windows and cleaning off mould though. They want security stays on windows and extractor fans in kitchens and bathrooms. (OPM.) Prefer a Warrant of Fitness regime.

    4. Methodist Church Public Issues Group. POV - poverty with a dash of climate change tossed in. Overcrowding a key cause of poverty. 50% of Pacific Islanders rental houses are overcrowded, 25% of Maori. Quoted some numbers which are still to be finalised - $1800 to insulate and do smoke alarms, compared to $2200 for a full rental WOF. (The WOF number might not be right, it was hard to hear.) 16 out of 19 landlords had already insulated their rentals. No more information given on that.

    5. Vic Uni Students Association. POV - students. Handed MPs a photo of mould on a ceiling. Basically similar to NZUSA, want better ventilation supplied. Basic issue limited supply and high demand, with limited student income.
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    Handy summary. You seem to be right on target with the comment:
    "Oral submitters are really happy to spend Other People's Money."

    No surprises, there. Wasn't it Maggie Thatcher who said that the
    problem with socialism is that eventually, one runs out of other
    people's money to spend?

    As you looked at the SC people, did you get any intuition as to
    where they saw the largest number of votes coming from?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Perry View Post
    Handy summary. You seem to be right on target with the comment:
    "Oral submitters are really happy to spend Other People's Money."
    .... As you looked at the SC people, did you get any intuition as to
    where they saw the largest number of votes coming from?
    Not quite sure what you mean, Perry. Do you mean among members of the SC or the Parliament or the voting public?

    There is a National majority on this SC.

    Bit of a write up in the Dom Post of the SC today, mostly anecdata about students who don't ventilate their flats.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/7673...cold-and-mould

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    Yes - I did not say that at all clearly - sorry.

    Did you get any idea of any SC member seeing
    more votes in this, that or t'other submitter's
    PoV, or the entity the submitter represented?

    E.g. more votes from students than from any insulation
    companies and their staff.
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    That article has a lot of words but only these ones really tell the true story
    But Wellington landlord Adrienne O'Sullivan said in her submission that the benefits of the bill were "vague and unsubstantiated" and would hit tenants in the pocket, as they would end up paying for new minimum standards "one way or another".

    The Ministry of Business, Innovation and Employment's cost-benefit analysis of the proposed measures lacked rigour and should not be relied on by legislators, she said.
    "Rather than correctly comparing costs to benefits, it would be more accurate to say it compares frogs to pears."

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    Not really any indication. Most members of the SC said nothing at all and asked no questions. Even those few that did speak seemed to be trying to remain fairly neutral in response, which I guess is appropriate when hearing submissions.

    There were more questions and comments directed to the two student groups than to the other submitters, though, which suggests pollies recognise a large pool of potential voters when they see one.


 

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