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    Quote Originally Posted by skid View Post
    I stand corrected-I would be interested to know how much of that corn is non GE.
    They dont really have much of a choice over there --the cat is well and truly out of the bag in terms of GE.
    Over half of the corn crop is GM, for soya beans it's 98%. The cat has been out of the GM bag for more than a decade.

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    GM or not is not the issue here.
    The real issue is choice.
    If we sign up for the TPP will we as a country still be able to decide our own future without being sued by some multi-national?
    The answer is - we don't know because we aren't privy to the detail of what is being negotiated.

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    And there seems to be little chance that the
    population will find out until it's too late!
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    New Zealand would benefit more than most countries from a concluded Trans Pacific Partnership deal, former Labour trade minister Phil Goff told the Herald last night.
    "We have the least barriers and therefore we have the least we have to give away," he said. "Other countries have to give away much more.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/ar...ectid=11170345

    as a country that lives by exporting and importing

    NZ needs the simplest trading agreement possible

    Japan, as another islanding nation that also lives by trading also needs easy trade

    but japan wants to have its cake and eat it too

    they want to export toyotas to nz + oz without huge import tariffs

    but don't want to accept tariff free apples, dairy + rice

    so far nz + oz have had to lump that unequal playing field

    but if korea were to sign a free trade agrement with nz

    we could then get ours cars from them, our free trade partner

    and wack as massive tariffs on japanese cars, as they do to our primary produce

    japan would then have a choice

    have their cake

    or eat it

    but not both

    that's the real politic of the situation

    imho nz should spend more time on individual free trade agreements

    and only send token representation to the big agreements

    because the big boys, who are run by vested interests, will do everything to scuttle trade agreements

    that threaten those interests


    Last edited by eri; 11-12-2013 at 09:49 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eri View Post


    imho nz should spend more time on individual free trade agreements


    Agree completely. James Hoffa, head of the US Teamsters Union was writing in the Huffington Post about PIT must end subsidies to 'NZ's state owned dairy industry' for the US to accept it. Given the massive, no colossal, subsidies US agriculture gets that's not just a lie, it's an obscene lie.

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    Of course there's the turnaround and point back at government option.

    When ramming through ever-increasing laws eroding privacy rights, the
    constant cant is that only those with something to hide have any thing
    to fear.


    What then does the government have to hide and be fearful about in
    the TPPA? Something it asserts is so good for the NZ citizenry!
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    the squeaking hinge gets the oil

    democracy now is almost broken as people with too much time on their hands search for things to get upset about

    and then YELL + YELL + YELL until they get their way

    damn what's good for the majority, it's fringe rules for all

    you just have to look at the farcical fluoride situation in hamilton to see this

    http://www.waikatodhb.govt.nz/page/p..._in_water.html

    so it's no surprise that this gov. every gov. tries to keep its cards close to their chest
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    Quote Originally Posted by eri View Post
    democracy now is almost broken as people with too much time on their hands search for things to get upset about
    agree - we need a war or something to give people something to really worry about.

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    http://www.ticotimes.net/More-news/N...y-June-20-2013

    To bad these guys didnt have a bit more "to much time on their hands" before they signed this agreement
    Last edited by skid; 12-12-2013 at 04:19 PM.

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    A relitively balanced article by Oxfam

    http://www.oxfam.org/sites/www.oxfam...e%20Future.pdf


 

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