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  1. #1081
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    Quote Originally Posted by Perry View Post
    And is that not the nub of it all?

    <> So out of touch they can't speak plainly.

    or

    <> Speak gobbledegook so it's meaningless and they can't be held to it.

    Neither option gives any optimism.
    Yip - doesn't give me any hope.

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    It's about outcomes rather than inputs. So the government pays for results not effort or time. If the results don't happen the contract is cancelled.

    (I skipped questions not interested in but overall understood the general thrust. I spent too long working in the beltway, obviously.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by artemis View Post
    If the results don't happen the contract is cancelled.
    Nice idea!

    I'm not averse to the general idea of no results = no pay; but is it realistic / enforceable / fudgeable / repudiatable / likely?
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    Reminds me of that long-ago "Yes Minister" proposal for failure standards.

    "Alas I am an expert, so therefore I shall rise no further."

    Mostly, for Government projects:
    "Its been a success, so we will expand it and give it more money"
    or
    "Oh dear, its been a total failure, so obviously its been underfunded and we'll better give it more money".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Perry View Post
    Nice idea!

    I'm not averse to the general idea of no results = no pay; but is it realistic / enforceable / fudgeable / repudiatable / likely?
    It's a lot easier to start something than to close it. But still there have been plenty of contracts not renewed under various governments. Quietly usually, especially in the private sector. Every time there are redundancies mentioned in the media, some rationalisation has happened.

    Couple of cancelled contracts that spring to mind - some Problem Gambling Foundation locations, some third party health providers. Waipareira Trust had several cancelled and made a fuss.

    Anyway, no need for people to do any part of the survey mentioned, but better to have some input when invited,rather than be dealt captain's calls.

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    Default A Bridges Too Far

    Those observations accepted, is the language not overly lofty, cryptic, patronising and quite out-of-touch with the common person?

    I.e. The gNats to a tee?
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    if it's change you want

    don't pointlessly complain to us

    we can't change ANYTHING

    tell them!

    0800 255 266

    [email protected]

    of course if it's

    i complain

    there for i am


    carry on
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    You do know the meaning of the word "futility," don't you?

    Hell! Maybe some gNat gNumpty might even read this discussion? (Faint hope)

    Keep carping, keep calm and keep carrying on.

    Maybe Andrew whatshisname might even take time to mention this to some gNominally gNat gNome, in some sort of vain hope?
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    dear blah, blah blah

    i tried to participate in the social services survey you have at https://www.national.org.nz/

    but i got a bit stuck with the difficulty of the questions...

    i think many people probably have the same problem...

    could you reword the questions into something less legalise and more common speak?

    ps, it's never a good look to speak down to your hoped for supporters

    this is where trump does so well
    have you defeated them?
    your demons

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    have sent it for you P

    will be interesting to see of you/me/we

    get a response
    have you defeated them?
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