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    Quote Originally Posted by flyernzl View Post
    Wherever you live, however you live, regardless of your home ownership status, your life could easily be made miserable, your sleep ruined, and your family threatened because no landlord, public or private, would be able to control the behaviour of those who would now have unfettered occupation of their property.
    Of course if the new neighbours had brought the place Sandra would have no recourse what so ever.
    Just a thought - because people rent should we be able to control their lives? Just putting it out there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wayne View Post
    Just a thought - because people rent should we be able to control their lives?
    Yes, of course.
    Or more accurately, the landlord should be able to control his house.
    What is wrong with that?

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    You can smash bash and crash your own car.

    Try that with a rental car and Mr Hertz and/or Mr Avis will be most unhappy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flyernzl View Post
    You can smash bash and crash your own car.

    Try that with a rental car and Mr Hertz and/or Mr Avis will be most unhappy.
    You're talking about ownership.

    When anyone enters into any sort of contract, say a rental agreement, some of the rights of ownership are lost.

    or partially lost.

    I picked up a book on the subject once, at the economics library of some big Technical institute.

    It was very old, very wordy, but very succinct as to what ownership meant.

    It's nothing more than a collection of rights.



    I'll share it with you now, so you can cut to the chase.

    From foggy memory,

    1, The right to admit access.
    2,The right to restrict access.
    3, The right to sell on,
    4, the right to use and profit from use.

    I'm thinking rental is a variation of the last one.

    And a landlord sells off some of those rights, for a while.

    basically, you cant have both the money and the rights too.


    Conversely, the renter does not buy total rights.

    It's worth mentioning, that the Govt can remove any property owner's rights .

    There are several laws that reveal property ownership rights to be less solid than people would hope.



    On a side note, there are some very strange property beliefs out there.
    I'm sure we have all heard of the childhood classic, "Finders keepers, losers weepers".
    It rhymes, so it must be true.
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    If some or all of these changes come in, expect them to be reversed if we have a National government in 2020. National has already said they will change the bright line rule back to 2 years.

    There would be an upside for landlords though as some sell up (after terminating tenants) and take their CGT free gains. Others terminate even slightly risky tenants. Smaller rental pool >>> higher rents, better tenants. Oh, not so good for taxpayers as social housing waiting lists continue to skyrocket.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wayne View Post
    Of course if the new neighbours had brought the place Sandra would have no recourse what so ever.
    It possibly does happen, but how likely is such an hypothesis?

    I.e. How many people who behave like that will be home-owners?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Kane View Post
    Yes, of course.
    Or more accurately, the landlord should be able to control his house.
    What is wrong with that?
    But in this case it isn't about controlling the house or what people do TO it - it is about controlling what the people do IN it.
    There seems to be the idea that because the people are renting they should behave differently to how others can behave.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flyernzl View Post
    You can smash bash and crash your own car.

    Try that with a rental car and Mr Hertz and/or Mr Avis will be most unhappy.
    You can play music as loud as you want in your own car - and in a rental.
    You can piss people off with discourteus driving in both (nothing illegal).
    Noone was talking about smashing and crashing - damage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Perry View Post
    It possibly does happen, but how likely is such an hypothesis?

    I.e. How many people who behave like that will be home-owners?
    Lots actually. Not all bad neighbours are renters.
    The idea that it is only renters who do such things shows a poor mindset, or maybe some people need to get out more.

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    In the UK the LL can face charges (fines and/or arrest) for tenants who carry out antisocial and/or illegal activities from their properties.


 

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