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  1. #1

    Smile Renovation and project manager

    I am thinking to renovate a 1940s brick and tile property to a nice family home.

    When I searched on the net, I found many companies offering to do the complete package from painting, flooring, kitchen, bathroom etc, in other words they project manage everything and promise great result, on time, competitive price!

    I also found specialised companies which do just kitchen or just bathroom or just roof or just garage and guarantee stunning results and great price!

    Of course, there are also "stand alone" handyman: builders, plumber, electrician, etc.

    Do these "all in one" companies actually deliver what they promise (good price, nice result)? Or is it better to use specialised company to do different parts of the house? Or is it cheaper to hire a handyman to do each job? How can these "all in one" company make money and still offer competitive price? Surely they must spend time and resource to manage the whole renovation project, or do they buy material at a better price compared to typical handyman?

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    You'll have different results with each - some project management companies will do a good job and deliver on time and on budget, and some will be completely blown out on both. Same goes with the individual specified companies though - half the time it's just luck of the draw.

    Many project management companies make their money by taking a margin (e.g. 10% of all materials and labour costs you spend) and can do this because of good relationships with suppliers, which mean they pay less than you would for the same product or service.

    If all other things were equal (e.g price, quality) you would in theory be better of going with the 'all-in-one' deal rather than individual companies or handymen, as it would save you money in your own time costs, which is something people often ignore when renovating.

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    I agree with Dan. A good project management company or project manager will save you money, as they will know who does good work at a good price.

    However, it can be equally as hard to find a good project management company, as it is to find good tradesmen. They will also of course make a margin, which is fair - they are saving you time managing it.

    Whichever way you choose, you should get several quotes, and compare reference and reviews of previous customers. That will help you compare prices and previous performance.

    Check my signature if you would like a good starting point,

    Good luck,

    Keith

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    Take my advice, and watch out. They are all experts, well, wait till they deal with councils. Remember, ultimately, the property owner is responsible for all compliance and consent issues. I've been at this game for 40yrs, and give advice, that most times isn't listened to, untill it all turns bad. Suddenly, everyone that was supposed to Project manage the redevelopement for the client, have headed for the hills, and left behind a trail of carnage.

    Make sure you have a contingency of 10%, if you don't use it, GREAT, but there if you do.
    I have dealt with your council before, they're pretty good, but the new ammendments can be a minefield. Every ones an expert, yea right.


    I'M GETTING CYNICAL IN MY OLD AGE.

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    Egan123,

    Do you project manage renovations? I am guessing yes, but how big does the project have to be for you to consider taking on a job?

    Shane

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    Gidday Mate, yep, small med, or large, its all the same to me. Rates for senior experienced PM's is between $195 to $350 per hour, me, I look at the complexity and charge accordingly. Currently doing a additional household unit for $90 per hour plus milage, and dispersements.

    Will be available to take on a new project early June. Have two going at the moment.

    Resource Consent Lodgement for one was 16 March, Council Approval 31st March. Its not what you know, but who you know. Sad, but true in todays construction Industry, don't like it, but thats how things are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by egan123 View Post
    Gidday Mate, yep, small med, or large, its all the same to me. Rates for senior experienced PM's is between $195 to $350 per hour, me, I look at the complexity and charge accordingly. Currently doing a additional household unit for $90 per hour plus milage, and dispersements.

    Will be available to take on a new project early June. Have two going at the moment.

    Resource Consent Lodgement for one was 16 March, Council Approval 31st March. Its not what you know, but who you know. Sad, but true in todays construction Industry, don't like it, but thats how things are.
    Thanks for the feedback brother. Good to keep in mind, especially if the project requires "communication" with the councils :-).

    Shane

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    Hi
    My two cents:
    Put out a simplified tender of the project to a bunch of companies you like the look of or have heard good things about.
    Choose your top 2 or 3, get full quotes and timeframes.
    Work out all the details prior to them getting started so the project is to your absolute satisfaction - this can take a bit back and forwardsing.
    Once your happy leave them alone and let them go to it.
    Usually works for me pretty well.

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    Thats wasting many companies time which is not necessary - choose 1 or 2 maybe 3 and ask them to quote only - less work and confusion and time wasted for everyone. You will find from the 3 you will strike a relationship with 1 and want to work with them usually and price and other issues will fall into place with them if you are on the same page - no job is ever without some issues so be prepared to be on a journey and choose wisely.

    Regards

    Mark Trafford

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    Quote Originally Posted by Traff View Post
    Thats wasting many companies time which is not necessary - choose 1 or 2 maybe 3 and ask them to quote only - less work and confusion and time wasted for everyone. You will find from the 3 you will strike a relationship with 1 and want to work with them usually and price and other issues will fall into place with them if you are on the same page - no job is ever without some issues so be prepared to be on a journey and choose wisely.

    Regards

    Mark Trafford

    Could'nt agree more with you Traff. If people spend time trying to slash the price too much, then they get what they payed for, Monkeys usually.


 

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